By now, if you are an active member in the Supergirl fandom community, you are undoubtedly aware that there is a lot going on with the Supergirl fan base. Division, attacks, collusion, planning, tweeting, posting, retaliation and so on. There is much that is dragging our fandom's reputation through the mud.
I want to give you a place where you all can come and discuss what is going on but I am going to set up some additional ground rules for this thread to help keep things more friendly because this could get out of hand very fast.
FIRST: There is a very easy tendency to make claims against certain groups that will generalize that group to a particular opinion. Please don't do this. For example: (Olicity "Oliver and Felicity shippers" all hate Laurel). That is clearly not true and no one could ever possibly know that. Its a sweeping generalization that causes those that are Olicity members who don't hate Laurel to become defensive. So please don't use sweeping generalizations in your observations.
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- Supergirl General Discussion
- Friday, 14 July 2017
You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun, Kal. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders.
I have read them they are good rules. But i am honestly truthful. I have never seen Mon-El or Karamels filling official SupergirlCW Twitter or Supergirlstaff Twitter account with replies of huge amount of toxic hate some of the SC fandom does.
All i see is appreciation from them there and them defending their faves from some of the SC fandom
But if you truly have seen the opposite. Be my guest show it here that they have done that. Because when i look there i honestly do not see it.
I can not see how anyone from SC Fandom can say Mon-El or karamels are hateful. I mean Where is it?
The prove is crystal clear to everyone to see its all some from the SC fandom doing the hating and acting immature and toxic.
It is from them writers gets harrassed
It is from them Chris is attacked Daily and got chased off Twitter
It was from them Jeremy got attacked
It was from them Smith got attacked
It was from them Leanne got attacked
It was from them Rahul Kohli got attacked
Just go to any new Tweet the official SupergirlCW Twitter posts. Or Supergirlstaff and writers. Its full of posts with hate for Mon-El and karamel. I see no Mon-El fans or karamel shippers write hate against sanvers or Lena/Katie there.
All they do is defend their favorites against the vile hate from SC fandom.
OH MY GOSH! You really didn't read all of what was said in this topic thread did you? We've gone over all of this already. An ample amount of examples of some Karamels being awful were provided not only by myself but by others even including the Admin, but you somehow overlooked all of it. Why is that?
And of course once again here you are making generalizations of the entire SC fandom. Did you not read the rules Admin provided for us to follow in this thread either?
It's possible that karamels are more likely to be attacked because their ship is cannon. It actually happened on the show, so it's harder to ignore than Supercorp which isn't. I haven't researched this, so I could be wrong, but I think cannon shippers are less likely to lash-out at other ships because they got what they wanted.
Also Mon-El is seen by many as the Scrappy so many feel that he "doesn't deserve her"
That being said shipping wars are stupid. It's not like you can win, and attacking others within the fandom only makes the fandom look bad.
Don't assume malice when stupidity is an adequate explanation. At least, not the first time.
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 121
I do a daily devotional, and today's prayer subject was "For harmony in my community." It seems very apt to this whole discussion.That is my hope as well SB....
First things first. In an earlier post (since deleted) I said that some members of the fandom were delusional. That comment was referring to those who harass or seek to disrupt shows etc, but that meaning was not made clear and Littlestar64 properly called me out on it. So I do apologize for that. There is no one on this site who is delusional.
I'm not on twitter and do not participate on other social media platforms either, so much of what I hear about or see is through this site or by scrolling through Melissa or Chris' Instagram accounts. In both cases the comments are overwhelmingly positive, or at the least innocuous. There are a few comments on Melissa's site that are vulgar or downright obscene. But it is a small number, so I suspect those who claim that a few bad apples spoil the barrel are correct. From what I have seen, the number of people who dislike Mon-el are far outnumbered by those who like him.
But to those who do dislike Mon-el, I am really puzzled by your reaction. Many of the comments in this discussion have mentioned slave-holding, abusive relationships, and even misogyny. What I find troubling is this emphasis on what Mon-el was, rather than on what he is becoming. His arc this season was redemptive. He has developed from a spoiled brat, essentially, into a person who by the end of the season was willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good. I find that a very compelling story and I think it is really quite sad that some focus on his character at the beginning of the season and dismiss who he had become by the end. This development, by the way, was inspired by Supergirl herself and to me encapsulates a lot of what the show is about. He is on a journey, and I really encourage people to reassess Mon-el as a redeemed character who I anticipate will become even more so in the next season.
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- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 122
Thank you for reminding us that as fans we have responsibilities to behave respectfully and not engage in potentially inflammatory rhetoric. As much as I enjoy SG and the cast, I need to keep in mind this is a TV show that is meant to entertain and even to highlight some concerns confronting our society. This follows a long tradition of the Star Trek serieses and the modern BSG, among others.
There are narratives I like in SG and others I am not particularly enamored of. I try to keep the controversial feelings to myself. So thank you, again for the reminder.
Argo
There are narratives I like in SG and others I am not particularly enamored of. I try to keep the controversial feelings to myself. So thank you, again for the reminder.
Argo
A journey of 1,000 KM, begins with one step.
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 123
I do a daily devotional, and today's prayer subject was "For harmony in my community." It seems very apt to this whole discussion.
First things first. In an earlier post (since deleted) I said that some members of the fandom were delusional. That comment was referring to those who harass or seek to disrupt shows etc, but that meaning was not made clear and Littlestar64 properly called me out on it. So I do apologize for that. There is no one on this site who is delusional.
I'm not on twitter and do not participate on other social media platforms either, so much of what I hear about or see is through this site or by scrolling through Melissa or Chris' Instagram accounts. In both cases the comments are overwhelmingly positive, or at the least innocuous. There are a few comments on Melissa's site that are vulgar or downright obscene. But it is a small number, so I suspect those who claim that a few bad apples spoil the barrel are correct. From what I have seen, the number of people who dislike Mon-el are far outnumbered by those who like him.
But to those who do dislike Mon-el, I am really puzzled by your reaction. Many of the comments in this discussion have mentioned slave-holding, abusive relationships, and even misogyny. What I find troubling is this emphasis on what Mon-el was, rather than on what he is becoming. His arc this season was redemptive. He has developed from a spoiled brat, essentially, into a person who by the end of the season was willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good. I find that a very compelling story and I think it is really quite sad that some focus on his character at the beginning of the season and dismiss who he had become by the end. This development, by the way, was inspired by Supergirl herself and to me encapsulates a lot of what the show is about. He is on a journey, and I really encourage people to reassess Mon-el as a redeemed character who I anticipate will become even more so in the next season.
SB, your character analysis of Mon-El is slightly flawed actually. I submit he wasnt a spoiled frat boy at all, he was a victim of severe child abuse his entire life. Look how Rhea treated him, he was a living playdoll to her; summoned before her and subjected to her whims (wedding ceremony) and put away back into his cell when she was done with him at gun point. His behavior early on was that of a man that never experienced any sort of freedom at all in his life.
The lyrics from metallica's 'the unforgiven' come to mind when I think of him
New blood joins this earth
and quickly he's subdued
through constant pained disgrace
the young boy learns their rules
with time the child draws in
this whipping boy done wrong
deprived of all his thoughts
the young man struggles on and on
he's doomed
all of his behavior is a direct result of this terror he lived. Its why when Kara agreed to fight Rhea in single combat he was terrified, not because he thought Kara wouldnt win, its because this to him must have been his worst nightmares come to life. the figure of his life long torment was coming for the woman he loved.
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 124
It's great to see the fandom on this site coming together to try to spread positivity. But I think we've gotten off topic with the discussion of Mon-El's character.
This thread was meant to discuss our fandom and the negativity surrounding it. I think it'd be best to start a new topic thread for those of you who would like to share your thoughts on Mon-El; I'm sure there are plenty of opinions to be had.
This thread was meant to discuss our fandom and the negativity surrounding it. I think it'd be best to start a new topic thread for those of you who would like to share your thoughts on Mon-El; I'm sure there are plenty of opinions to be had.
"Be wise, be strong and always be true to yourself." - Alura Zor-El to Kara Zor-El
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 125
It's great to see the fandom on this site coming together to try to spread positivity. But I think we've gotten off topic with the discussion of Mon-El's character.
This thread was meant to discuss our fandom and the negativity surrounding it. I think it'd be best to start a new topic thread for those of you who would like to share your thoughts on Mon-El; I'm sure there are plenty of opinions to be had.
I disagree as mon-el is the central character of the division. to discuss the discord among the fandom the topic of mon-el will surely come up.
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 126
Quoting Rschick: "SB, your character analysis of Mon-El is slightly flawed actually. I submit he wasnt a spoiled frat boy at all, he was a victim of severe child abuse his entire life. Look how Rhea treated him, he was a living playdoll to her; summoned before her and subjected to her whims (wedding ceremony) and put away back into his cell when she was done with him at gun point. His behavior early on was that of a man that never experienced any sort of freedom at all in his life.
The lyrics from metallica's 'the unforgiven' come to mind when I think of him
New blood joins this earth
and quickly he's subdued
through constant pained disgrace
the young boy learns their rules
with time the child draws in
this whipping boy done wrong
deprived of all his thoughts
the young man struggles on and on
he's doomed
all of his behavior is a direct result of this terror he lived. Its why when Kara agreed to fight Rhea in single combat he was terrified, not because he thought Kara wouldnt win, its because this to him must have been his worst nightmares come to life. the figure of his life long torment was coming for the woman he loved."
That is a very insightful analysis which I had not considered. Thanks for sharing.
The lyrics from metallica's 'the unforgiven' come to mind when I think of him
New blood joins this earth
and quickly he's subdued
through constant pained disgrace
the young boy learns their rules
with time the child draws in
this whipping boy done wrong
deprived of all his thoughts
the young man struggles on and on
he's doomed
all of his behavior is a direct result of this terror he lived. Its why when Kara agreed to fight Rhea in single combat he was terrified, not because he thought Kara wouldnt win, its because this to him must have been his worst nightmares come to life. the figure of his life long torment was coming for the woman he loved."
That is a very insightful analysis which I had not considered. Thanks for sharing.
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 127
It's great to see the fandom on this site coming together to try to spread positivity. But I think we've gotten off topic with the discussion of Mon-El's character.
This thread was meant to discuss our fandom and the negativity surrounding it. I think it'd be best to start a new topic thread for those of you who would like to share your thoughts on Mon-El; I'm sure there are plenty of opinions to be had.
I disagree as mon-el is the central character of the division. to discuss the discord among the fandom the topic of mon-el will surely come up.
Yes he is the central character of division. But this thread wasn't meant to get into character analysis. It was created as a "place where you all can come and discuss what is going on" in the fandom. Character analysis and fandom behavior should be two separate threads in my opinion.
"Be wise, be strong and always be true to yourself." - Alura Zor-El to Kara Zor-El
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 128
"But to those who do dislike Mon-el, I am really puzzled by your reaction. Many of the comments in this discussion have mentioned slave-holding, abusive relationships, and even misogyny. What I find troubling is this emphasis on what Mon-el was, rather than on what he is becoming. His arc this season was redemptive. He has developed from a spoiled brat, essentially, into a person who by the end of the season was willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good. I find that a very compelling story and I think it is really quite sad that some focus on his character at the beginning of the season and dismiss who he had become by the end. This development, by the way, was inspired by Supergirl herself and to me encapsulates a lot of what the show is about. He is on a journey, and I really encourage people to reassess Mon-el as a redeemed character who I anticipate will become even more so in the next season."
Not sure if this is the thread for this but - posting it anyway:
I don't disagree with this. My problem with it (and by it I mean the presentation of the Mon-El character) is that all of this - this what he was (slave holding / potentially abusive / misoginistic (yeah - I have no idea how that is spelled and neither does spell check)) is what he was WHILE he was in a romantic relationship with Kara. I wish his redemption arc could have played out with him changing for him (with Kara as a teacher / mentor), because it was the right thing to do, because he learned, or evolved, or whatever. But sticking him as the romantic partner of Kara / Supergirl while this was going on totally changed his dynamic (to the character's detriment IMO). It diminished Kara in the process because of how he treated her and diminished his evolution.
Not sure if this is the thread for this but - posting it anyway:
I don't disagree with this. My problem with it (and by it I mean the presentation of the Mon-El character) is that all of this - this what he was (slave holding / potentially abusive / misoginistic (yeah - I have no idea how that is spelled and neither does spell check)) is what he was WHILE he was in a romantic relationship with Kara. I wish his redemption arc could have played out with him changing for him (with Kara as a teacher / mentor), because it was the right thing to do, because he learned, or evolved, or whatever. But sticking him as the romantic partner of Kara / Supergirl while this was going on totally changed his dynamic (to the character's detriment IMO). It diminished Kara in the process because of how he treated her and diminished his evolution.
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 129
I hope this doesn't come off as rude but this really isn't the place for character discussions. I'm sure if one of you started a new topic there would be plenty of people on this site willing to exchange views/opinions with
"Be wise, be strong and always be true to yourself." - Alura Zor-El to Kara Zor-El
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 130
VeeJer: I hope this doesn't come off as rude but this really isn't the place for character discussions. I'm sure if you started a new topic there would be plenty of people on this site willing to exchange views/opinions with you
admin said he was going to monitor the thread closely. he's got it under control.
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 131
VeeJer: I hope this doesn't come off as rude but this really isn't the place for character discussions. I'm sure if you started a new topic there would be plenty of people on this site willing to exchange views/opinions with you
admin said he was going to monitor the thread closely. he's got it under control.
Admin hasn't been online though. So they haven't been monitoring this thread recently.
"Be wise, be strong and always be true to yourself." - Alura Zor-El to Kara Zor-El
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 132
I hope this doesn't come off as rude but this really isn't the place for character discussions. I'm sure if one of you started a new topic there would be plenty of people on this site willing to exchange views/opinions with
OK - no worries - I was responding to something on this thread (which is what actually motivated me to comment initially) that others had responded to so figured it was an Ok place. Either way is cool though so thanks fo the heads up.
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 133
I hope this doesn't come off as rude but this really isn't the place for character discussions. I'm sure if one of you started a new topic there would be plenty of people on this site willing to exchange views/opinions with
OK - no worries - I was responding to something on this thread (which is what actually motivated me to comment initially) that others had responded to so figured it was an Ok place. Either way is cool though so thanks fo the heads up.
I understand. Mon-El is a hot button topic and everyone here has an opinion on him. I just think it'll be better to separate the discussions as things can get heated rather quickly.
"Be wise, be strong and always be true to yourself." - Alura Zor-El to Kara Zor-El
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 134
I had a long response but I axed it to say that there's a very aggressive hate campaign against Mon-El and the fandom will never be positive as long as this continues because this group ensures they spread their hatred everywhere, every hour, every minute.
And I suspect that even if Mon-El leaves, this will continue because this same group started a hate campaign when the Jack character played by Rahul was announced. We can't dismiss their actions when a one-episode actor had a negative experience with them.
I'm not trying to be defeatist but I don't think this fandom can turn back time as long as these shippers remain.
All characters have their detractors and I'm sure he'd still have had his without this but these shippers have taken it to an unbearable level. That's why I prefer to go to comic book sites like this to read recaps and comments because they aren't filled with shipper rhetoric, although I think one of the polls attracted more shippers to this site so I hope next season won't be different.
And I suspect that even if Mon-El leaves, this will continue because this same group started a hate campaign when the Jack character played by Rahul was announced. We can't dismiss their actions when a one-episode actor had a negative experience with them.
I'm not trying to be defeatist but I don't think this fandom can turn back time as long as these shippers remain.
All characters have their detractors and I'm sure he'd still have had his without this but these shippers have taken it to an unbearable level. That's why I prefer to go to comic book sites like this to read recaps and comments because they aren't filled with shipper rhetoric, although I think one of the polls attracted more shippers to this site so I hope next season won't be different.
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 135
the fandom will never be positive as long as this continues because this group ensures they spread their hatred everywhere, every hour, every minute.
We were brainstorming ideas yesterday to try and combat the rampant hate going on. If any of you have ideas/suggestions to help drown out the ugliness in the fandom please feel free to share with the rest of us. The more love and positivity we spread the better.
"Be wise, be strong and always be true to yourself." - Alura Zor-El to Kara Zor-El
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 136
I actually find this saddening, has my favourite ever fictional character and TV series been reduced to shipping wars?. While I'm aware (through others on this site) of what goes on out in Social Media land it's probably something I had hoped could be avoided here, have a sheltered existence.
I think I'll just stick to enjoying the TV show and what I love about Supergirl, that being her good-hearted nature, optimism and of course the awesome heroine she is.
You seem to be missing the point that some are making. You can dislike a character without it being about a ship. Yes, there is definitely a shipping war but a few people on here just don't like Monel (no ship involved).
apparently discussing Mon-El negatively is just fine, but sharing a positive opinion about the man is something that must be snuffed out.
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 137
I actually find this saddening, has my favourite ever fictional character and TV series been reduced to shipping wars?. While I'm aware (through others on this site) of what goes on out in Social Media land it's probably something I had hoped could be avoided here, have a sheltered existence.
I think I'll just stick to enjoying the TV show and what I love about Supergirl, that being her good-hearted nature, optimism and of course the awesome heroine she is.
You seem to be missing the point that some are making. You can dislike a character without it being about a ship. Yes, there is definitely a shipping war but a few people on here just don't like Monel (no ship involved).
apparently discussing Mon-El negatively is just fine, but sharing a positive opinion about the man is something that must be snuffed out.
I don't think that's what they meant. I think they were just pointing out that some of the dislike for Mon-El has nothing to do with ships as there are a few people who believe the dislike for him stems directly from shipping when that's not always the case.
"Be wise, be strong and always be true to yourself." - Alura Zor-El to Kara Zor-El
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 138
I actually find this saddening, has my favourite ever fictional character and TV series been reduced to shipping wars?. While I'm aware (through others on this site) of what goes on out in Social Media land it's probably something I had hoped could be avoided here, have a sheltered existence.
I think I'll just stick to enjoying the TV show and what I love about Supergirl, that being her good-hearted nature, optimism and of course the awesome heroine she is.
You seem to be missing the point that some are making. You can dislike a character without it being about a ship. Yes, there is definitely a shipping war but a few people on here just don't like Monel (no ship involved).
apparently discussing Mon-El negatively is just fine, but sharing a positive opinion about the man is something that must be snuffed out.
totally not trying to start a fight .... but I got shut down (in a very respectfully way so no hard feelings) for discussing him negatively in this thread so I don't think this is accurate.
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 139
Can we do one thing before proceeding!? Can others please stop saying there's a Supergirl "fandom" problem? Because there's not. Us SUPERGIRL fans are over here doin just... fine. Please leave the Supergirl fandom out of the messes and bickerings.
Please and thanks *goes back to enjoying other fans, views, theories, predictions, Supergirl updates, and all cast members*
I wish I lived there with you......
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- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 140
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