The State of the Supergirl Fandom

I would like to add a few other things.

1. Do not tell me what the cast meant by the song. Ya'll are not the cast so don't speak for them. Unless your superpower is mind reading just stop.

2. Stop blaming all SC people for what some do. I am old, but I am not their mother so I can't ground them from the internet. And I have seen many SC fans tell people to stop doing things but again not one can make them. Unless of course there twitter or instagram account is reported.

3. Stop generalizing and saying that the only bad fans are SC fans. Ya'll all love Monel so you probably don't get hate from Karamel fans but it's out there.

4. Last but not least. I reiterate that the hate against the actors is wrong. No one is denying that. But that doesn't mean people can't be upset or disappointed in the cast.

1. Isn't that what everyone is doing...I take the history of this cast along with me as I watch that video. I take what Melissa said in an interview just a couple of hours before if that....where she is specifically asked about #Supercorp and she says, https://twitter.com/dailypicmelissa/status/888851186836803584 Katie said the same exact thing, and everyone is oooooh glorious she's our angel...lol something like that...lol So, I think everyone is interpreting what they meant.....I just simply take in to account, the numerous times they (Melissa and Jeremy) have worked with different LBGQT charities, they have stood up for them, they have many, many friends within that community. I simply take all of that into account, as well as the months of harassment.

2. The reason SC people are getting blamed is because when we see their tweets, it is in their profile, they have hashtagged in their reply, on tumblr all they talk about is @Supercorp....that the VAST MAJORITY of the tweets and posts we are talking about are coming from people that SAY THEMSELVES THEY ARE A PART OF #Supercorp. What the hell are we supposed to think? You are correct there are some that have asked them to stop....I follow a few of those people, so you are correct....but that doesn't negate that the vast majority of the harassment tweets and posts are from people who call themselves #Supercorp people.

3. I believe everyone here has stated that they understand that there are some that follow #Supercorp that are not a part of this fandom.

4. Again, we have all stated that we understand that you believe that the harassment of the actors is wrong but that you are still disappointed in the cast. There are those of us that simply are not disappointed in them because we don't see what happened as a grand, huge thing that should be put up there with all of the horrible things that the LGBQT community is up against. Especially since these two actors have proven themselves time and time again how much they support that community. It is like ALL OF THAT IS WIPED AWAY because of this, and that IMHO is ridiculous.

I don't know why you keep repeating these things. Are you thinking that we will at some point totally agree with you? We understand that you are upset with the cast and writers......ok....you have every right to be, that is totally your thing. Go for it.... We just simply are not upset with them...and see a different side of it, that's all.

Just one thing to clarify, Chris wasn't at the charity event. Katie and Teri represented Supergirl.

But speaking of Chris, a comment he made sarcastically and even stated was sarcastic has been used against him to paint him as homophobic. These people were very clear to exclude his follow-up words that it was sarcasm and intentionally misrepresented him. These posts have gone viral on Tumblr and resulted in a fresh attack on his instagram page. He's being attacked for saying the exact opposite of what they claim he is saying. They also claim that Mehcad told Katie to shut up in Italian. That also led to attacks on Mehcad's instagram. He's disabled the comments in his most recent posts. I don't know if Chris will do the shame.

They are relentless and intent on forcing the cast to kowtow to them.
This is the video with Katie's comments setting it up.
https://youtu.be/LQLU58Adtd4?t=7m

EDIT:
Chris' fans are now flooding his page with positive comments to drown out the hate.

Yes! I was told that I don't have privileges to complete the action too! (For Accept as Answer button).
Supersad! To tempt us with this button, and then say, "We don't have the privileges".

I agree with what Admin said. And, thank you!

And... yes.. I'd like to show support for the cast too. I do have context, and have been following them for the past two seasons. I do not think they are homophobic. Quite the opposite in fact. Very supportive. And I feel for them.

For the first time in many months, I searched for Supergirl tag in twitter and all I found was harsh and painful comments directed at the cast. And, they do not deserve that. In no way.

I think many of the LGBT folks who are speaking out (even a bit) harshly against the cast don't have the context that you guys and the cast have. And, we have.

I did speak to a writer (and fan) about how what they (cast) did was not right, but they didn't know the context and it was definitely not homophobic. And that they are human and everyone makes mistakes. And, it was understandable.

And she said she agrees, but can't write an article about it because at this point, it would just fan the flames.

I agree because, that is what I have seen even with reviews such as for Wonder Woman over there. The comment thread for these articles become battlefields for opinions; and even the article writers get attacked for being racist or something else (because well, homophobia cannot be directed at them). Truly, at times,even homophobia is directed at them. (Also, FYI, these hateful tweets or any SG mention at all (except, "I am not giving up on the show", I didn't see in her twitter threads. In any of theirs, really.)

As for me, as I have mentioned before, I follow very few folks on tumblr and one or two on twitter. And I have seen them (fair disclosure, none of them are SC, but most are LGBT) speak out against this attack on the cast. And I know from experience that in tumblr, you get hate even if you are nobody and you are just speaking in favour of something. Even if it is just a ship nobody else ships, you get hate. Hell, if you are just writing for your satisfaction, you get hate from people who want you to write for them (for free).

So, there is limited speaking up and corralling that you can do. Hence, this "one bad apple (or a large very visible number) spoils the lot" is kind of painful to hear. As is, folks saying, paraphrased, that it is your own fault at this point for not coming down on them hard. Silence is sanction, so to speak.

We are not apples. (Though, my sis tells me that I look like an apple )

Would you, those on both the left and the right, like to be held responsible for those of your members who have done everything from terrorism to online harassment to assault in the name of the values that either of your political parties hold true? Sometimes not even in the name of values but mere events that they didn't agree with. (I am not being hyperbolic here. Twitter war is nowhere near terrorism but, acts of assault and terror have been committed in the name of both sides in politics and such.)

Because, honestly, I don't hold you responsible. However, it feels like some of you guys are doing it to us. ("Feels like" being the operative word here. That may not be your intention. In which case, I apologise if you feel attacked.)

(In fact, I know the cast got a lot of hate last year during election for their open comments on the election.)

I don't want a political discussion here. And I used this example only because the online vitriol I see is something that I have seen in the political arena too.

Sigh!

The point is. There is limited speaking up for cast that we can do. We do what we can. Being LGBT doesn't mean our words have more value than yours in this case.

Anyways, twitter rally sounds great, because I for one would love to see something positive on my twitter feed directed towards the cast.

And now; God! I'd really like us to move on.

Thanks for the tweet Kelly. I have retweeted in my twitter and embedded in my tumblr.

As well as a few really decent tweets from Jeremy.

@Kelly,

How do we go about that rally? Should we use that image in our tweets and posts?

On twitter, Instagram and tumblr use it as your profile pic.....if you are tweeting something that you think is important and is a high five to the cast, or a cast member, you can put attach it to your tweet. You use it however you want.....

Kelly, what is this rally, campaign you speak off? Can you provide some background to it.
I've been living under a rock all week with a family emergency and came on today to catch up on SDCC, and WOW, JUST WOW. I'm just starting to get a grasp of it all. I'm still completely gobsmacked by how this have blow up. Right now, I'm actually quite depressed by how the cast is being bombarded with so much vicious hate. I'm not a social media person, so it baffles me.

But THIS, this might actually get me on it just to join in a supportive rally for the cast. Especially Melissa, who, as the lead seems be be getting the brunt of it. Poor Kid. It really couldn't happen to a nicer, more generous actor and person.

I really haven't caught up most of it yet, so I probably can't speak accurately to it, but it seems like a lot of misinformation is out there too. Then bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with this particular incident just to attack a cast member. What a horrible way to end the event.

@Kelly,

How do we go about that rally? Should we use that image in our tweets and posts?

On twitter, Instagram and tumblr use it as your profile pic.....if you are tweeting something that you think is important and is a high five to the cast, or a cast member, you can put attach it to your tweet. You use it however you want.....

Kelly, what is this rally, campaign you speak off? Can you provide some background to it.
I've been living under a rock all week with a family emergency and came on today to catch up on SDCC, and WOW, JUST WOW. I'm just starting to get a grasp of it all. I'm still completely gobsmacked by how this have blow up. Right now, I'm actually quite depressed by how the cast is being bombarded with so much vicious hate. I'm not a social media person, so it baffles me.

But THIS, this might actually get me on it just to join in a supportive rally for the cast. Especially Melissa, who, as the lead seems be be getting the brunt of it. Poor Kid. It really couldn't happen to a nicer, more generous actor and person.

I really haven't caught up most of it yet, so I probably can't speak accurately to it, but it seems like a lot of misinformation is out there too. Then bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with this particular incident just to attack a cast member. What a horrible way to end the event.

It's not like a MASSIVE MOVEMENT or anything...lol Many of us on Social Media are just tired of going back and forth with people. People have their opinions and they are free to have them....so when we see a negative opinion we simply post a positive, we retweet and like the positive stuff on the cast, and many of us have changed our profile pics to the one I posted here and we post the pic whenever we see negative as well. So it's not about making a HUGE IMPACT, it is simply about showing our support of this cast. That's all.....

Also, whoever is using the Profile Pic I posted make sure that you either don't crop the watermark out, OOOOR, give https://twitter.com/samayerswrites credit, he is the one that created it. Doing both would be great, but if you have to crop it, somehow give him credit for it please.

Thank you!

"Don't generalize"
"Y'all all love Mon-El"

It's one of the most annoying things that I feel some people try to turn it into a situation where people MUST agree that Mon-El is the devil himself otherwise the alternative is you must blindly love him.

I think there are a lot of people who casually rather than deeply, viscerally don't like Mon-El, or are indifferent to him or think he's just so-so.

But this way, people get thrown into the Mon-El lover camp just for not agreeing with all of the accusations agianst him.

I'm pretty sure in a world where everybody loved Mon-El, I'd be considered a hater for how I view him and talk about him.

I mean granted, I do like Mon-El XD

But, as in like how a normal person sees a character on TV and goes, I like that one. Not in the toxic, shipping, kind of way.

Thanks for the welcome @evrafter.

Several abuse victims have said that he reminds them of their abuser. You think they're all delusional?

I would not know if that were true or not for them, I don't know them personally as I stated before, if they saw that as abusive, more counseling may be needed for them...again, I don't know their situation i don't know if they have gone through any kind of counseling...they might need to watch what they are watching on TV if that bothered them that much.........I can only go by what I have experienced myself in my internships, and the people I have dealt with through that....

So what you just said is that people who are reminded of their abuse need counseling so that they don't think it's abuse. Is that right?

If what they saw on this series brought back memories of their abuse from something as innocent as this relationship was...yes, they may need some more help, or counseling.

You would disregard the experiences of abuse survivors because it doesn't fit your ideas of abuse? You, who have never been abused? That's.......I don't even have the words. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Ugh, Pedowitz annoys me, there's been MANY articles detailing how Mon-el is bringing down the show, plus the majority of the fandom hates the character but he's choosing to ignore this for some reason.

Just as I have asked that no one make broad generalizations about fandom groups like Supercorp or Karamel, or communities like the LGBTQ+, I will also ask you not to make broad sweeping statements about the Supergirl fandom as a whole.

As I've said before, there are the folks who are passionate enough about the show and aspects of it to be vocal. There are authors who write articles too (as you said), but I think the proof is in the pudding. I said earlier in this thread that The CW, or any network for that matter isn't going to make changes to their products (and that is was Supergirl is, a product to sell advertisements) without getting the metrics and data to back it up.

We don't work at The CW, Warner Brothers, or DC Comics and because of that no one has access to the giant information gathering algorithms that they do. Supegirl is a business and if Mon-El was truly a deal breaker for the show, then they wouldn't have brought him back. No one is going to have more access to that kind of information than Pedowitz, so that said I think the majority of silent fans, (which I have to assume out weighs vocal fans), enjoy Mon-El's character and that is why he's back.

I agree with some parts of what you said. We shouldn't make broad judgements about the fandom. I do think, however, like you said there are large nonvocal groups that like Monel there were also be an equal group of nonvocal fans that don't like him. I think it's probably about 50/50 on who like and doesn't like. That's just my opinion.
I'm not sure I agree about the numbers being high for the Monel character that's why the CW keeps him. Many CW reps have said many times how they love Chris Wood. And to be honest any press is good press so even with people hating Monel it's still getting them publicity. The CW wins either way. Advertisers just want to sell stuff they don't care about how. Just my opinion.

thing is Mon-El isnt the real problem, he is simply the the current target because he happens to be in the way of an agenda campaigned by the supercorp fandom. Anyone in the way of that agenda gets attacked. I point to Jack Spheer played by Rahul Kohli as evidence who expressed his distaste for some of those fans because he received enough hate during his 1 episode stint to make a public statement.

I've been seeing this a lot lately, talk of an agenda. What agenda? I don't understand what people are considering their "agenda" to be?

For Lena and Kara to be a relationship on screen so they can have their ship

Well, I can say that there are 100s upon 100s of posts like this one....

https://twitter.com/luthorvause/status/886317678041935873 (language)

Most of the #Supercorp people tweeting that I have come across, and there have been 100s have this type of conversation going on in their tweets.

People can make of that what they wish...

So because some people are headcanoning dumb stuff (like that tweet) means that all the SC shippers are out to bring on the gay agenda? What about the people who dislike his character who are not SC shippers or shippers at all for that matter? Are they too pushing the gay agenda?? Are we really going to invalidate people's opinions over his character solely on the notion that some probably do want him out of their ship's way? I'd like to think the answer is no.

He is not the reason. The reason is some of the SC fandom. That has been acting extremely immature and selfish and with no regard for people with other opinions than them. They have taken their assults to the writers, actors just because they want to control everything. Its not right. They really need to accept that not all have their opinion and that there is also many that like Mon-El.

Although I realize his character is a big reason for the hate plaguing the fandom, I thought the thread was meant to focus on the bad behavior of fans, not him.

Mon-El is a very touchy subject here. There are some very passionate opinions surrounding him and I didn't want to see the discussion around the toxicity of our fandom and how to change it turn into an internet fight over him. That was my only concern.

Liking mon el is exactly the problem. This is not a simple difference of opinion. This is support for a character who CANONICALLY owned slaves, who sidelines Kara on her own show, who replaced a black man as Kara's love interest and who has treated her very badly. This is not a matter of "I like the Guardian storyline!" "Eh, i thought it was dumb." Those are differences of opinion. This is a matter of real world issues.

Ugh, Pedowitz annoys me, there's been MANY articles detailing how Mon-el is bringing down the show, plus the majority of the fandom hates the character but he's choosing to ignore this for some reason.

Just as I have asked that no one make broad generalizations about fandom groups like Supercorp or Karamel, or communities like the LGBTQ+, I will also ask you not to make broad sweeping statements about the Supergirl fandom as a whole.

As I've said before, there are the folks who are passionate enough about the show and aspects of it to be vocal. There are authors who write articles too (as you said), but I think the proof is in the pudding. I said earlier in this thread that The CW, or any network for that matter isn't going to make changes to their products (and that is was Supergirl is, a product to sell advertisements) without getting the metrics and data to back it up.

We don't work at The CW, Warner Brothers, or DC Comics and because of that no one has access to the giant information gathering algorithms that they do. Supegirl is a business and if Mon-El was truly a deal breaker for the show, then they wouldn't have brought him back. No one is going to have more access to that kind of information than Pedowitz, so that said I think the majority of silent fans, (which I have to assume out weighs vocal fans), enjoy Mon-El's character and that is why he's back.

I agree with some parts of what you said. We shouldn't make broad judgements about the fandom. I do think, however, like you said there are large nonvocal groups that like Monel there were also be an equal group of nonvocal fans that don't like him. I think it's probably about 50/50 on who like and doesn't like. That's just my opinion.
I'm not sure I agree about the numbers being high for the Monel character that's why the CW keeps him. Many CW reps have said many times how they love Chris Wood. And to be honest any press is good press so even with people hating Monel it's still getting them publicity. The CW wins either way. Advertisers just want to sell stuff they don't care about how. Just my opinion.

All good points. So good in fact that I think we've hit on a new realization. Whether fans like or dislike Mon-El is irrelevant because in the end, the viewers are there to hate him as well as the viewers are there to love him. If it doesn't hurt advertisement sales, then we all are going to get more Supergirl for many seasons to come. (also this is the 300th comment on this topic) WOW!

Definitely true. I was a librarian for over 20 years and I can tell you the fastest way to get a book read, is to call it a banned book or give it a bad review. People love to watch a car wreck just as much as a good story. It's sad but true. Doesn't matter if it's a book, tv show or movie.

The PTB gets far more information that is far less emotional, biased and confrontational and then they make their decisions. To put numbers, percentages etc as to how many love or hate this or that character is a shout in an echo chamber at best and naive at the least. The CEO has given the answer some like it, some dont, but the decision has been made. Time to move on.