The State of the Supergirl Fandom

It's a start. But I detest that he's turned this around to make himself the victim.

It's a start. But I detest that he's turned this around to make himself the victim.

there is that formal apology you wanted and are now rejecting. WHY? step back a second and come at this with a fresh state of mind.

'Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that' - Martin Luthor King jr

I'm not rejecting it outright. I just would've preferred he kept it to an apology and not turn it around to make it about himself.

Like I said, it's hard to view it from a different perspective when this is something so personal to myself and many others.

What kind of way of thinking is that? He made me feel shitty about my own sexuality but I haven't sent him any hurtful comments. So no, I haven't made him feel shitty about himself.

People speak of 'intentions' as if that's an excuse. Yes, they likely didn't intend to disrespect wlw viewers, but they did. Their actions were likely a direct result of those bad shippers, but yet it affected so many more people than said shippers. That's why there's such an outrage over it.

so you acknowledge the intent probably wasn't meant to be hurtful and still wont accept a 'weak' apology. An apology he literally said like 30 seconds later when upon reflection realized what he said and how it would be taken. forgiveness isnt something given because people deserve it, its something given because people need it. Perhaps you could be the bigger person, perhaps you could be the one to give forgiveness?

I do acknowledge it. But it's hard to forgive when this is the kind of stuff us lgbt folk live through on a day to day basis. And to get it from one of our favorite shows is painful on a personal level.

It's a start. But I detest that he's turned this around to make himself the victim.

there is that formal apology you wanted and are now rejecting. WHY? step back a second and come at this with a fresh state of mind.

'Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that' - Martin Luthor King jr

What did he exactly do?

What did he exactly do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQLU58Adtd4

I do acknowledge it. But it's hard to forgive when this is the kind of stuff us lgbt folk live through on a day to day basis. And to get it from one of our favorite shows is painful on a personal level.

So if somebody says that certain two people are just gonna stay friends that insults your sexuality?

I think the jokes of being scared of the reaction of the shippers had less to do with the sexuality of the fans but instead with the specific bad reputation that these shippers have for their actions against the actors.

A lot of the fans who attack the actors claim that this is fair behavior because "every action will have a reaction", basically "somebody was horrible to me, so I'm justified in being horrible to all kinds of other people". And yet people don't take responsibility that if they act horrible on twitter or instagramm then that will also have an effect, like developing a bad reputation.

And yes, I think it is absolutely within the responsibility of the fan group to at least try to curtail the belligerent behavior of their fellow fans.

You guys really don't get it. It's nothing about his comment about being friends. It's the way he went about it. He didn't just sing it once and move on. He repeated it over and screamed it. That over the top response wasn't necessary. What do you guys have to say to those shippers who aren't part of the bad shippers?

Kara/Lena (SC) were formed as a direct result of wlw looking for some form of representation. There is a severe lack of wlw rep in media so fanon ships are born. To invalidate rep that wlw are in desperate need/want of is ugly. That's where sexuality comes in to play. Wlw rep (as non-canon as it is here) has been disrespectfully dismissed as a joke.

Jeremy acknowledged that what he did was hurtful, so why can't some of you? If you can't see it then it's likely you're not part of our community. And if you're not part of the community why are you trying to speak over our voices?

I could see being disappointed my shipdom wasn't the shared viewpoint of my favorite cast. But.... I'm still not seeing how it was an attack on anyone's sexuality.

Let's change up the characters:

One shipdom wants Mickey Mouse to be with Daisy Duck, not Minnie Mouse. Let's ship them Dickey. Dickeys push and push for it--even to a point of attacking guest actors who portray Daisy's ex... Probably named Donald. But Mickey is with Minnie (obviously, they have no good shipname). Now... Jeremy sings, "Daisy and Mickey are just friends... It ain't gonna happen. They're...just... friends." Now, I could see Dickies being bummed Jeremy wasn't also a Dickie. But, wouldn't it be obsured to say Jeremy must then hate ducks???

I am in no way making fun. I was simply just trying to use two different characters EVERY one would know who I was talking about.

I could see SuperCorp fans being bummed, even mad at the cast for not seeing the "ship" happen in the future. But I simply can't see how it was an attack on a whole community... Most of which probably don't even watch Supergirl.

apology #2

he heard you guys. forgiven or not?

Aaannndd... To be very very clear... I'm not speaking to ANY one directly here. I'm seeing comments like under Jeremy's post and such that I'm trying to grasp....

klanked39 has sense.

klanked39 has sense.

Right?

Kara/Lena (SC) were formed as a direct result of wlw looking for some form of representation. There is a severe lack of wlw rep in media so fanon ships are born. To invalidate rep that wlw are in desperate need/want of is ugly. That's where sexuality comes in to play. Wlw rep (as non-canon as it is here) has been disrespectfully dismissed as a joke.

Supergirl the show provided representation with Alex/Maggie. But instead people keep being pushy about a different pairing even though there has been plenty of indication from the cast and crew that this is probably not in their plans (including Katie saying "for once, it's not here", yes she added that of course you can make up your own fantasy, but that doesn't change that as far as she's concerned, as far as she knows it's not actually there). .

Nobody says you have to be satisfied with only Alex/Maggie, but the excuse that all you want is some representation rings pretty hollow when the show has representation. Not to mention several other shows, including shows on the CW and even shows in the superhero genre.

If people only cared about representation in general then it wouldn't matter if it is Lena and Kara. But that is not the case. Some people act like it must be this couple in particular and nothing else is good enough and everything that stands in the way of it must be destroyed.

If all fans were just "It would be really nice if that was the case" (or "I'm fine with it being fantasy only and I won't try to change what the show is doing" it would be one thing. But there have a higher than normal number of fans who are belligerent about it and who attack everything that isn't their couple.

I have sympathy about feeling there is not enough representation for there to be a couple that fits your personal kinks, but to me it still seems kinda misleading to portray "I want a couple that hits exactly my personal kinks" as being exactly the same as "there is not enough representation".

For what it's worth I remember the Felicity/Oliver fanbase also had a reputation for being obnoxious and pushy about their couple. So it's not just a question of straight versus gay, it's not even about canon versus fanon, it's about the actions some fans (in a high enough number that it doesn't feel like isolated cases, but instead a habit) take.

Jeremy acknowledged that what he did was hurtful, so why can't some of you? If you can't see it then it's likely you're not part of our community. And if you're not part of the community why are you trying to speak over our voices?

Saying it isn't an attack on your sexuality to disagree with one specific couple isn't the same thing as saying you weren't hurt. It's easy for shippers to get hurt over shipper things.

For as much as you all talk about how hateful the SC shippers are you all need to realize the hate you say about them is just as bad.

The fact that some shippers act like anybody not sharing their ship view is a personal attack on them doesn't mean that it is "just as bad" as sending actors personal hate.

Just shared by @fangirlishness. I started following, specifically for their SDCC coverage. So sad, because they all seemed so excited to cover It... until today. I noted they started taking heat earlier in the day (long before the "song"...

Just shared by @fangirlishness. I started following, specifically for their SDCC coverage. So sad, because they were all seemed so excited to cover It... until today. I noted they started taking heat earlier in the day (long before the "song"...

I follow them, very pro karamel. also they post a lot of stuff about other shows I watch.

On a whole different note, for those of you with instagram accounts, please do Jeremy a favor and report this account. This person has begun harassing him over his being a lgbt supporter.

On a whole different note, for those of you with instagram accounts, please do Jeremy a favor and report this account. This person has begun harassing him over his being a lgbt supporter.

DraftingDrafter

I'm working on reporting,but they want a URL for where the harassment is taking place. Do you have a link or URL where any of the above comments were posted?

On a whole different note, for those of you with instagram accounts, please do Jeremy a favor and report this account. This person has begun harassing him over his being a lgbt supporter.

DraftingDrafter

I'm working on reporting,but they want a URL for where the harassment is taking place. Do you have a link or URL where any of the above comments were posted?

The comments are under his latest post
https://www.instagram.com/p/BW3_Q3jFMOO/?taken-by=jeremymjordan&hl=en

Also report the account too. There's a social media blast going out for everyone to report the account so anyone who can please help us out, thanks!