By now, if you are an active member in the Supergirl fandom community, you are undoubtedly aware that there is a lot going on with the Supergirl fan base. Division, attacks, collusion, planning, tweeting, posting, retaliation and so on. There is much that is dragging our fandom's reputation through the mud.
I want to give you a place where you all can come and discuss what is going on but I am going to set up some additional ground rules for this thread to help keep things more friendly because this could get out of hand very fast.
FIRST: There is a very easy tendency to make claims against certain groups that will generalize that group to a particular opinion. Please don't do this. For example: (Olicity "Oliver and Felicity shippers" all hate Laurel). That is clearly not true and no one could ever possibly know that. Its a sweeping generalization that causes those that are Olicity members who don't hate Laurel to become defensive. So please don't use sweeping generalizations in your observations.
SECOND: As much as possible, temper your emotions and take a moment to breathe before responding. We are discussing complex, difficult issues here. Issues that are reflected in the real world and have very real consequences. We are discussing topics here that have deep personal connections to a wide variety of people. You'll never know if your comment, however innocent you may feel it is, actually affects someone on the other side of the screen. So let's take a moment to note that these issues are very VERY complex and require care when brought up in conversation. Breathe and above all, be respectful.
FINALLY: My scrutiny meter on these posts is going to be at a maximum on this. If I feel, for whatever reason, that a post is in anyway hurtful, derogatory or attacking I am just going to delete it. I'll start tossing posts like Kobe hits three pointers (I'm not a basketball guy I have no idea if that analogy makes sense).
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- Supergirl General Discussion
- Friday, 14 July 2017
You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun, Kal. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders.
People speak of 'intentions' as if that's an excuse. Yes, they likely didn't intend to disrespect wlw viewers, but they did. Their actions were likely a direct result of those bad shippers, but yet it affected so many more people than said shippers. That's why there's such an outrage over it.
"Be wise, be strong and always be true to yourself." - Alura Zor-El to Kara Zor-El
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 61
It's a start. But I detest that he's turned this around to make himself the victim.
there is that formal apology you wanted and are now rejecting. WHY? step back a second and come at this with a fresh state of mind.
'Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that' - Martin Luthor King jr
I'm not rejecting it outright. I just would've preferred he kept it to an apology and not turn it around to make it about himself.
Like I said, it's hard to view it from a different perspective when this is something so personal to myself and many others.
"Be wise, be strong and always be true to yourself." - Alura Zor-El to Kara Zor-El
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 62
People speak of 'intentions' as if that's an excuse. Yes, they likely didn't intend to disrespect wlw viewers, but they did. Their actions were likely a direct result of those bad shippers, but yet it affected so many more people than said shippers. That's why there's such an outrage over it.
so you acknowledge the intent probably wasn't meant to be hurtful and still wont accept a 'weak' apology. An apology he literally said like 30 seconds later when upon reflection realized what he said and how it would be taken. forgiveness isnt something given because people deserve it, its something given because people need it. Perhaps you could be the bigger person, perhaps you could be the one to give forgiveness?
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 63
People speak of 'intentions' as if that's an excuse. Yes, they likely didn't intend to disrespect wlw viewers, but they did. Their actions were likely a direct result of those bad shippers, but yet it affected so many more people than said shippers. That's why there's such an outrage over it.
so you acknowledge the intent probably wasn't meant to be hurtful and still wont accept a 'weak' apology. An apology he literally said like 30 seconds later when upon reflection realized what he said and how it would be taken. forgiveness isnt something given because people deserve it, its something given because people need it. Perhaps you could be the bigger person, perhaps you could be the one to give forgiveness?
I do acknowledge it. But it's hard to forgive when this is the kind of stuff us lgbt folk live through on a day to day basis. And to get it from one of our favorite shows is painful on a personal level.
"Be wise, be strong and always be true to yourself." - Alura Zor-El to Kara Zor-El
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 64
Actually it has become very clear and simple. Others and I have said various things which summed together, definitively demonstrates why it is not an attack on sexuality in what should be a logically infallible way. I used to self victimise a lot too, thinking everything is an attack on a group I belong to. Sometimes obviously such worries are well warranted, but in this case frankly there is no way you can make this into homophobia.
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 67
There were several accusations made today that it WAS an attack on the LGBTQ's sexuality. I'm not going to go scrolling back through on here, because I don't want to remember who it was, but it was said he/she was made to feel "sh*tty" about their own sexuality. And on this very site, he was accused of "homophobic comments."
ALL throughout social media, ESPECIALLY under his apology posts, he was told he was a homophobe. I even posted in this thread one such comment I screen-shoted. if anyone would like to review...scroll on down.
This is the very reason we've all been responding the way we have--defending Jeremy and cast for not being homophobic and that he was not attacking the LGBTQ community. Mel and Chris are now being "counter-attacked" with they are immoral and cheaters.
I would hate to think that now, after realizing he has always been an advocate for the community, now the argument is being changed to "he attacked a shipdom!"
ALL throughout social media, ESPECIALLY under his apology posts, he was told he was a homophobe. I even posted in this thread one such comment I screen-shoted. if anyone would like to review...scroll on down.
This is the very reason we've all been responding the way we have--defending Jeremy and cast for not being homophobic and that he was not attacking the LGBTQ community. Mel and Chris are now being "counter-attacked" with they are immoral and cheaters.
I would hate to think that now, after realizing he has always been an advocate for the community, now the argument is being changed to "he attacked a shipdom!"
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 68
Unfortunately, a large portion of the people who are outraged online view it as homophobia. I personally don't. Reiterating that I have no ill will towards the peaceful and respectful Supercorp shippers, I think the only reason the topic came to mind for Jeremy during the "rap" is because of that smaller-yet-extremely-vocal segment of the Supercorp shippers that have been incredibly disrespectful. The people who have sent death threats to Chris, and harassed Rahul for for the ONE episode he did. That's the subgroup that the cast most likely associates with Supercorp most. I also think that's one of the reasons Supercorp continuously keeps coming up in interviews. I'm not Jeremy, so I can't say for sure, but I imagine that's what I imagine he was thinking of it when the joke was made.
Was the joke made in bad taste? Maybe. I didn't find it offensive, but I'm neither a shipper, nor LGBT. And I understand that I will never understand what the people of that community go through. But I've seen posts from LGBT people and Supercorp shippers defending Jeremy against the seemingly disproportionate backlash. But the less respectful minority of Supercorp has definitely left an impression, seemingly negative, with the cast. It's sad, but you can tell by the looks on their faces any time it's brought up.
And now people are harassing Melissa, saying she should apologize. From the video, I don't think she really did anything wrong.
I have absolutely nothing against Supercorp as a concept. I just unfortunately think that the group (again, due to what I believe is a very vocal minority) has a stigma attached to it, now, and even the cast is aware of it. It's a shame that a ship, any ship, has gotten to that point.
In the end, I think it was joke, with no ill will behind it. He realized soon after the impact of it, and tried to apologize. I also think it has been blown WAY out of proportion.
I too don't see it as homophobia. The joke was made in bad taste. Naturally you wouldn't find it offensive as it isn't something that would offend you. I on the other hand found hurt in it, but that's because this is something I've gone through with other fandoms. For once I was glad I wasn't a shipper as I know from experience that nothing good comes from shipping non-canon f/f ships. But I never would've thought something like this would happen. People were so concerned with a fan being disrespectful at comic con but instead we got some of the cast being disrespectful to some of the fans.
We've gone over how awful those SC shippers have been. But to punish the entire SC fandom by outright mocking them is insensitive. It's unfortunate that this has happened, but how was it fair to those fans who aren't jerks to the cast/writers? Why is it ok to make them feel less than for wanting some more f/f rep all because some other fans ruined things for them? It isn't.
I agree that it was meant as a joke. But it was a joke that fell flat. It was a bad joke whose punchline was the lgbt viewer audience. It was a bad joke that was apologized for twice now. And this bad joke caused hurt in a community that is regularly plagued by hate, so the reaction has reached a critical high because of it.
"Be wise, be strong and always be true to yourself." - Alura Zor-El to Kara Zor-El
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 69
I am also genuinely sorry for what you face. I hope for the day you are surrounded by the respect you deserve. In response to that just then, my take is, if the character really isn't asian, then he said nothing wrong really.
Thank you, I hope the same for you (and for any other members on this site who experience prejudices in their day to day lives).
I agree, what he said isn't wrong. But what he said isn't the issue, it's the manner in which he said it that is the issue (I'm sure there are some shippers who are pissed about what he said but shippers are a whole other topic). LGBT viewers don't care about what he said, we know they're just friends (and there's nothing wrong with that); we take issue with the mockery he made of a wlw fanon ship, that's it.
The amount of hate he's getting is ridiculous at this point The man has apologized twice now, with the second apology being quite heartfelt. I've forgiven him. Many have. People do dumb stuff all the time, but they learn from their mistakes and move on as Jeremy seems to have.
"Be wise, be strong and always be true to yourself." - Alura Zor-El to Kara Zor-El
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 70
Liking these last few posts by Fedguy and DraftingDrafter.
I can't say I face any prejudices that you both face. I'm a straight male. I'm off-white (I say that, jokingly, because I'm not exactly white, but I don't know what my heritage is).
Only prejudice I've faced is that I'm short. Like, REALLY short, for a guy. So yeah, I can't say I know what it's like to face racial prejudice, or against sexual orientation. And I can never pretend that I know what you each go through.
But one thing I will say, and it may or may not apply to Jeremy's situation, is this:
Because I don't face those challenges, I sometimes don't realize that something I've said, that has absolutely no ill will behind it, was offensive to somebody. This might be the case with Jeremy. While a LGBT supporter, he is not LGBT, so he may not have realized the impact it would have on that community.
But he made an apology, afterwards. And when I make a mistake like that, I try to do the same.
On the flip side, I think the offended person or people should make an attempt to realize that the comment, whether in this situation or in others like it, may not have had negative intentions behind it. We need to use those opportunities, and instead of being outraged and spewing threats, explain why something may have been offensive to the person involved. And if they apologize, I think we need to do our best to accept that apology.
We're going beyond this situation with Jeremy, at this point, but I just think it was a good example.
When it comes to shipping, I've just never personally understood how some people can take it so very seriously. And I think this might apply to Jeremy's situation, as well. The important part is that he tried to make some sort of amends.
So while people need to try to be more cognizant of what they are saying in the moment, I also think that people need to recognize when something was genuinely said with ill intent, versus when it was said without knowing the extent of the impact it would have.
Regardless, I think everyone here (at least those still online) recognize that the online reaction was extreme, compared to the situation.
I can't say I face any prejudices that you both face. I'm a straight male. I'm off-white (I say that, jokingly, because I'm not exactly white, but I don't know what my heritage is).
Only prejudice I've faced is that I'm short. Like, REALLY short, for a guy. So yeah, I can't say I know what it's like to face racial prejudice, or against sexual orientation. And I can never pretend that I know what you each go through.
But one thing I will say, and it may or may not apply to Jeremy's situation, is this:
Because I don't face those challenges, I sometimes don't realize that something I've said, that has absolutely no ill will behind it, was offensive to somebody. This might be the case with Jeremy. While a LGBT supporter, he is not LGBT, so he may not have realized the impact it would have on that community.
But he made an apology, afterwards. And when I make a mistake like that, I try to do the same.
On the flip side, I think the offended person or people should make an attempt to realize that the comment, whether in this situation or in others like it, may not have had negative intentions behind it. We need to use those opportunities, and instead of being outraged and spewing threats, explain why something may have been offensive to the person involved. And if they apologize, I think we need to do our best to accept that apology.
We're going beyond this situation with Jeremy, at this point, but I just think it was a good example.
When it comes to shipping, I've just never personally understood how some people can take it so very seriously. And I think this might apply to Jeremy's situation, as well. The important part is that he tried to make some sort of amends.
So while people need to try to be more cognizant of what they are saying in the moment, I also think that people need to recognize when something was genuinely said with ill intent, versus when it was said without knowing the extent of the impact it would have.
Regardless, I think everyone here (at least those still online) recognize that the online reaction was extreme, compared to the situation.
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 71
If it makes you feel better I'm pretty short too xD
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 72
Call me a dunderhead. I saw these apologies from Jermey Jordan about an improptue song of last year's summary. As well as, I noted criticism of Melissa for being not sensitive to lesbian feelings. I saw the video and listened to the song and I heard nothing homophobic about about it. They just sang that Kara and Lena are friends.
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- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 73
There was no attack at all from Jeremy or any of the cast. They set the record straight about 2 friends on the show. Thats it.
They never addressed Sanvers. Its like SC shippers are Totally forgetting the real LGBT couple on the show. Yet some of the SC fandom still say its an attack at LGBT. That is what makes this whole thing so weird and quite frankly ridiculous from the SC.
Even Katie laughed at that song as well so Why are they only hating on Jeremy and Mel now. The loud small and toxic part of SC fandom is the most obscure thing i witnessed ever in any fandom of any show.
Did you read any of our explanations for why we're upset or are you just gonna turn a blind eye?
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 74
Yeah i did and i and many others still see nothing wrong in what Jeremy did
SC are friends and telling it like it is like TVD cast did with Damon and Bonnie is nothing wrong with that at all
There was no attack at all from Jeremy or any of the cast. They set the record straight about 2 friends on the show. Thats it.
They never addressed Sanvers. Its like SC shippers are Totally forgetting the real LGBT couple on the show. Yet some of the SC fandom still say its an attack at LGBT. That is what makes this whole thing so weird and quite frankly ridiculous from the SC.
Even Katie laughed at that song as well so Why are they only hating on Jeremy and Mel now. The loud small and toxic part of SC fandom is the most obscure thing i witnessed ever in any fandom of any show.
Did you read any of our explanations for why we're upset or are you just gonna turn a blind eye?
It's not what was said, it's how it was said. Jeremy was proud of himself for 'debunking' a ship that's not even canon in the first place, a ship that people support because it has meaning for them, and Mel called that 'brave'. You are a prime example of why that's a problem; lesbian shippers are regularly ridiculed and attacked, and the cast has now joined in on that. I really don't know how else to explain it.
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 75
not only is this horse dead, but we've made burgers and put ketchup on this sucker at this point.
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 76
No arguing any longer, but speaking about an impact of this incident, for sometime I don't think I feel like looking at Melissa or Jeremy's social media anymore because everytime I do I see those angry comments plastered everywhere and it hurts. They don't deserve this and I've no clue how the fandom degraded thus over a year. When I first became a fan I had never seen this coming.
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 77
not only is this horse dead, but we've made burgers and put ketchup on this sucker at this point.
Excuse us for speaking out about an incident that deeply, deeply hurt the LGBT section of the fandom. Jeremy has and he seems genuinely sorry, and I for one accept that apology. That doesn't change the fact that A) It happened, B) It echoes what several of the more nasty fans have said to us, and C) Melissa has not apologized when she was the one who called Jeremy 'brave' for what he did.
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 78
I just saw the video once again. While I may see no harm, that does not dismiss others' position that it was hurtful and insensitive. IMO, this was spur of the moment and not intended to hurt anyone. I hope we all have the grace forgiving their making a mistake by accidentally insulting some groups. So let's forgive, move on, and not subject them recriminations.
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- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 79
See when this type of stuff happens, Jeremy would need to be very brave indeed to do what he did
This type of stuff happens regardless of what's happening in the fandom. Jeremy has gotten a bunch of gross hate just for being an ally and activist for the LGBT community. This hate isn't completely isolated to fandom issues, so let's not act like it is.
There was nothing brave about what was done. Causing unintentional hurt wasn't brave. Fans sending hate in retaliation isn't brave.
"Be wise, be strong and always be true to yourself." - Alura Zor-El to Kara Zor-El
- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 80
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