The State of the Supergirl Fandom

Just shared by @fangirlishness. I started following, specifically for their SDCC coverage. So sad, because they all seemed so excited to cover It... until today. I noted they started taking heat earlier in the day (long before the "song"...

Just shared by @fangirlishness. I started following, specifically for their SDCC coverage. So sad, because they were all seemed so excited to cover It... until today. I noted they started taking heat earlier in the day (long before the "song"...

I follow them, very pro karamel. also they post a lot of stuff about other shows I watch.

On a whole different note, for those of you with instagram accounts, please do Jeremy a favor and report this account. This person has begun harassing him over his being a lgbt supporter.

On a whole different note, for those of you with instagram accounts, please do Jeremy a favor and report this account. This person has begun harassing him over his being a lgbt supporter.

DraftingDrafter

I'm working on reporting,but they want a URL for where the harassment is taking place. Do you have a link or URL where any of the above comments were posted?

On a whole different note, for those of you with instagram accounts, please do Jeremy a favor and report this account. This person has begun harassing him over his being a lgbt supporter.

DraftingDrafter

I'm working on reporting,but they want a URL for where the harassment is taking place. Do you have a link or URL where any of the above comments were posted?

The comments are under his latest post
https://www.instagram.com/p/BW3_Q3jFMOO/?taken-by=jeremymjordan&hl=en

Also report the account too. There's a social media blast going out for everyone to report the account so anyone who can please help us out, thanks!

Apparently Jeremy Jordan posts a couple of messages on his instagram, probably related to this.

Previously....
"It's not about homophobia, it's about invalidating a part of the fan community"
Now....
"It's not about that, it's about homophobia"

Readying defenses for the loop game

So in summary, at some point we concurred that what Jeremy said is not homophobic. Just then we also agreed fan's interpretations needs no validation.

So, given that, Jeremy stated Kara and Lena are just friends, granted, with emphasis. Also addressed the past aggression of the SC shippers have left a lasting impact on the cast, and not confined to shipping, they frequently claim that Kara and Lena are in fact romantically attracted, and therefore Jeremy emphasised that in recognised canon, they aren't, as is the right thing to do. No other shipdom has warranted such response because none were that assertive.

So....."the rudest of ways"? He sang a song with a smiling face. It is clear he was in a friendly mood. He stated a fact. If that was the rudest of ways, I dread to think of your reactions to the vast quantities of real homophobia present in reality.

Previously....
"It's not about homophobia, it's about invalidating a part of the fan community"
Now....
"It's not about that, it's about homophobia"

Readying defenses for the loop game

Definition of homophobia: the dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people

Not once did I say that there was any form of homophobia shown. I've been stating point blank that it was a hurtful thing to do. I've never stated that what was done was because the cast doesn't like or are prejudiced against the gays.

(As stated) The actions of SC has warranted them being singled out. It wasn't rude. It was a much needed clarification.

I am also genuinely sorry for what you face. I hope for the day you are surrounded by the respect you deserve. In response to that just then, my take is, if the character really isn't asian, then he said nothing wrong really.

Okay... to add another perspective (personal experience):

In India, there are a number of films where mlm relationships or gay men are played for laughs. There used to be award shows where these two popular actors would jump around the stage with hands on each others waist. Then, the maid would come in and act all shocked... and then, there would be an entire scene on the parents feeling shocked. Every moment is filled with audience laughing. Laughing because that is what a relationship between two men are worth.

The singing, especially, Mehcad standing up and doing that dance number, reminded me of that. It was a visceral reaction. I mean, I got why Jeremy said the whole "they are just friends" thing and I was amused slightly at first. But, then, it stretched on... and other folks joined in and Mehcad danced... and well, I started feeling nauseated.

I think it was a call back in my mind to all those times (personally and on screen) when LGBT folks are played for laughs. (My first real exposure to homosexuality was, a girl I had a crush on and her friend laughing about two girls committing suicide because they were in love and the parents were looking for a marriage for one of the girls. I was 17. Didn't really understand what they were saying because I didn't know there are girls who loved girls or boys loved boys. But, yet, somehow I identified with it, and felt so bad about it... that I am pretty sure it had a strong effect (among other things) on how long I took to identify myself as gay. I finally gave in only at 30*--a few years back.)

I do understand that Jeremy didn't mean to be homophobic. In fact, I never thought he or any of the cast are. And, yeah, they naturally (because they are straight), don't know the extent to which certain things can call back certain moments and cause pain to people. And honestly, whether you are gay or straight, POC or white, I don't think you can ever go through life without making such mistakes. Such is life.

When you find that you have hurt someone, all you can do is apologise. That way all sides can grow. People who inadvertently hurt can know something about the other person's personal journey and experience. And the person who was hurt can know that the other person never had the thought that you attributed to him. Jeremy did that. And I am happy about that.

And... I am sad that folks sent horrible comments to him--a reasonable note that he hurt LGBT folks, yes...because honestly, ignorance is nobody's friend here. But, nothing and nobody deserves hateful comments. And really, even from an activism POV (if you don't care about the actor's feelings, which is understandable if you are emotionally wrung up over what happened), all it does is muddle the issue because then it becomes about the hateful comments and bullying. If people think sending hateful comments is LGBT friendly or they are doing the community or themselves a service, in my opinion, they are not. All they are doing is hurting the community and fogging the issue. To be honest though, I don't think LGBT activists or any activist do that either.

*I now feel like an old woman.

To add onto what I said (as a response to what Fedguy said). I get you.
However, I don't think it is about feeling the victim.
I don't think we (LGBT folks) are culturally yet at a place where we could laugh at jokes made about us. It is the reaction of the strong (not necessarily physically or in numbers)...but folks who are sure of their place in the world. folks self-assured enough to ignore such. and hopefully, we will be there some day. But, right now, many of us are still at a place where we doubt ourselves.. near constantly. We wonder whether we really are an aberration. We wonder what our fate would be if tomorrow say the majority decided that all homosexuals should be jailed or killed (like it happened in India in 2013 or it is happening in Chechnya now). It is an incredibly vulnerable position to be in (and, in my opinion, same is the case for all minorities; but we LGBT end up being minorities within those minorities).
So, yeah.. we (some of us, may be not all) are a bit touchy... Because we are not yet at a place where we are like... "Hell! The majority can do whatever they want; ignore us... laugh at us... We are not going to care... We are going to party." Or, may be say "that is a very good joke! that is funny!" Though it'd be fun to be there and to be able to laugh at ourselves too.

And again, I am speaking from a non-western POV. Supergirl is watched all over the world. And.. LGBT folks are all over the world too.

Call me a dunderhead. I saw these apologies from Jermey Jordan about an improptue song of last year's summary. As well as, I noted criticism of Melissa for being not sensitive to lesbian feelings. I saw the video and listened to the song and I heard nothing homophobic about about it. They just sang that Kara and Lena are friends.

Am I missing something here? Please feel free to let me know if I am missing something. I will not take offense.

Argo

The problem is not what was said, it's HOW it was said. If Jeremy had said "oh, they're just friends" and moved on, that would have been fine. He's right. But instead he screamed it like five times and the others laughed, and later he proudly said he 'debunked' supercorp and Mel called him brave for it. SC shippers get bashed and harassed daily, and now the cast is ridiculing us too.

Ha! Okay. I realise now that I replied too early. Because what I said can be easily summed up by what DraftingDrafter said.

FedGuy, I had not read your second post in this thread when I replied (I thought I had come to the end of the thread). In any case, I am really sorry anyone anywhere has to go through or experience hate. And, the lack of rep can be horrible too.

Argo: Thanks for your supportive comment earlier. I have tried to explain, in the comment below yours (if you sort by Latest), why it was painful to me. Others may have other reasons.

To end: I do love the cast. I know they make mistakes. It is human. I am happy they do apologise when they feel that they have done something wrong. I don't think they should be vilified (or anyone should be). I hope I will have the courage to always apologise when I make mistakes too (however, inadvertent).

Now these SC are sending Death threats to Jeremy and Mel. Rahul was not only right about them. He actually downplayed them. In reality they are worse. Death threats is some serious stuff. Whats wrong with some of these
SC some of them are totally messed up

I haven't seen any death threats. Could you please tell us the accounts (twitter handles, instagram accounts) doing that so we can report them. Some links would be great, thanks.

Now these SC are sending Death threats to Jeremy and Mel. Rahul was not only right about them. He actually downplayed them. In reality they are worse. Death threats is some serious stuff. Whats wrong with some of these
SC some of them are totally messed up

I haven't seen any death threats. Could you please tell us the accounts (twitter handles, instagram accounts) doing that so we can report them. Some links would be great, thanks.

I've said my piece on this topic, so I'm done with it. You either agree or you don't. But I do agree with DraftingDrafter. If you find death threats to any of the cast on twitter, instagram, wherever, please share it here, along with a URL, so we can report it. Whether you are upset about this situation or not, personal threats towards the cast are never warranted.

It was on Mel's latest Instagram post. Guess someone deleted it But i do see the reply to it there Where its mentioned. This is pretty insane. Thank god it got deleted though

Ok that's good it got deleted. That either means it was reported and removed or the account deleted it themselves. If you (or anyone here) ever sees hate directed at the cast, especially to this degree, please notify us in this thread. The more people we can get to report these accounts, the better.

If its the one I think it is...the account was found to be in violation.

seems someone emailed Melissa's team for an apology. Here is the statement from her team

See when this type of stuff happens, Jeremy would need to be very brave indeed to do what he did

This type of stuff happens regardless of what's happening in the fandom. Jeremy has gotten a bunch of gross hate just for being an ally and activist for the LGBT community. This hate isn't completely isolated to fandom issues, so let's not act like it is.

There was nothing brave about what was done. Causing unintentional hurt wasn't brave. Fans sending hate in retaliation isn't brave.

Excuse me but i quite don't understand how we escalated from expressing a point of vu "in this case for a relationship" to be immediatly related at devalorising it or being done for hurt others.
Are we gonna expect that exchanges with the actors/producers as to be reduce to posting pictures ?
When someone in this very "nice" forum gives his opinion, we can agree or not without being accuse at something we haven't even think of. Doesn't mean it's always well receive by everyone, just that we didn't have any agenda other than sharing.
And it became "brave" for them to saying what they think ? So the communities and/or internaut are taking away the ability to talk from them ? ... I don't imagine what it's like when you absolutly can't say anything that isn't transformed because of what the reader or viewer is feeling at that moment.

I take the last event here but if the issue it's really not about what Jeremy Jordan has said but how he said it, then it comes back to an interpretation relative to the viewer and his own feelings.
Feelings are real and not questionnable, but without internet everybody would have to deal with them differently first. And eventually, if it's still needed, send a mail after. Why don't keep that in mind and take a pause before responding to someone, who ever it is.
People usually don't say things to hurt others (i hope). And if they do they shouldn't

I remember the beginning of IRC and the chatrooms ... that not a leap from where we are now, it's a galaxy.