I thought that it might be nice to have one place to discuss the character of Reign as we progress through this season. While I'm a bit sad about the character turning evil, I am very eager to see the extent that the writers will go with the villain. She has the possibility of being quite the formidable foe for Supergirl.
Perhaps we can start with some facts about her that we know at the moment and add to the list as we find out more details.
I'll start a list and I can add to it later. Even though the character exists in the comics, I thought that it might be better to keep those facts off the list until they present themselves as we're not sure what aspects the writers will use from her comic book counterpart. But, feel free to discuss any aspect of the character.
KNOWN DETAILS ON REIGN
Human persona
- Name Samantha
- Adopted
- 12 year old daughter named Ruby (had Ruby when young)
- Father of Ruby unknown
- Known Lena for a long time
- Arrived on Earth when Kal-El did
- Estranged from adopted mother
- Mother found Sam in Krypton pod
- Turned to Reign after a trigger
- Seems to suffer type of split personality (doesn't recall actions as Reign)
- Loses time when Reign
Alien persona
- From Krypton
- Genetically engineered
- Connection with Alura
- World Killer
- Fortress of Sanctuary- in a desert, exact location unknown
- From a time before Fathoming
- Built to cleanse the scourge and deliver the Awakening
- Dispenser of Justice/Vengeance
- Believes that those who stand by and do nothing are guilty of crimes
- Seems to take orders from higher source (hologram)
Powers exhibited
-Super strength
-Invulnerable to bullets
-Super Speed
-Red laser heat
-Flight
-Super Vision
- Freeze breath
-Powers not dependent on yellow sun
-Not as susceptible to electricity as Supergirl
Weakness
-Pure form of kryptonite injected into body
-Psi and other telepaths
I think people are wrong in saying she is brainwashed.....she isn't brainwashed, this is a part of her DNA, it is what she was created to do. No brainwashing involved, she was created as a World Killer, not a Krytonian who is later brainwashed. She simply had something physically happen to her that blocked the final phase, and that was having her daughter. NOW, does that mean that her daughter could be used to bring her around? Sure, I hope that doesn't happen....I want her to be who she was created to be, no matter how tough it will be to watch her change and how hard it will be for Ruby. HOWEVER, it is also going to be the catalyst for some awesome acting, so I can't wait. But, she isn't brainwashed, she was created to be what she is turning into now.
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- Supergirl General Discussion
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Another rumor going around is that Sam could take on the persona of Super Woman....I think this is unlikely, but Jenna Dewan Tatum did say that she was positive about them moving her towards Super Woman, of course this was before the move to the CW and her having to bow out....so maybe that is something they have had in the back of their minds. Again, I don't think this is going to happen, but it would be pretty interesting. Just more speculation however, nothing in stone.
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- Supergirl General Discussion
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Kelly, I agree with you that it isn't really brainwashing; it really is a genetic issue. And if the question is whether or not they will be able to get through to Sam in some way, then we may be looking at a nature vs. nurture conundrum.
In regards to that: I think that we have seen a great deal of foreshadowing involving the uncertainty of being human or alien. That topic has pretty much been Kara's go to line in some form in almost every episode. Now we have Sam finding out she's human but, commenting about being a good person and her connection to Ruby.
I really feel bad for Sam and Ruby and do kind of wish they could find a place for Odette after Reign is defeated because she does a wonderful job.
In regards to that: I think that we have seen a great deal of foreshadowing involving the uncertainty of being human or alien. That topic has pretty much been Kara's go to line in some form in almost every episode. Now we have Sam finding out she's human but, commenting about being a good person and her connection to Ruby.
"You are my heart."Didn't Alex say something similar to this in Season One's Finale to Kara? When they were saying goodbye?
I really feel bad for Sam and Ruby and do kind of wish they could find a place for Odette after Reign is defeated because she does a wonderful job.
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I really feel bad for Sam and Ruby and do kind of wish they could find a place for Odette after Reign is defeated because she does a wonderful job.
Yeah I can think of maybe 2 things...
1. , they could get Odette to play a grown up Ruby if/when the legion takes her to the future or something happens later on to age her up? Would be easier if they said some stuff like Ruby is genetically identical to Sam or something.
2. They could do something like they did with Slade on Arrow. Throw her in prison or something after the genetics activation or whatever wears off. Then we see Slade in season 6 sort of working with Oliver after he's recognized to be more or less 'normal' again. (for this I'm thinking the phantom zone)
And I agree "you are my heart" will come back to haunt the evil scientists.
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Why 'Supergirl' Needs Sam to Stick Around, buddytv.com article.
Apparently they forgot about Lena......??????
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Why 'Supergirl' Needs Sam to Stick Around, buddytv.com article.
Apparently they forgot about Lena......??????
Yep, totally forgot about Lena, who is also a kickass businesswoman and friend to Kara. I have to disagree with the article, as much as I’m loving Odette Sam/Reign shouldn’t be redeemed. Sometimes the villain is just that and Worldkiller is her destiny.
Hope, Help and Compassion for all
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Why 'Supergirl' Needs Sam to Stick Around, buddytv.com article.
Apparently they forgot about Lena......??????
Yep, totally forgot about Lena, who is also a kickass businesswoman and friend to Kara. I have to disagree with the article, as much as I’m loving Odette Sam/Reign shouldn’t be redeemed. Sometimes the villain is just that and Worldkiller is her destiny.
Exactly, she was created to be a World Killer and that should be her endgame. If they redeem her in the end, that will be a full on disrespect to this fantastic SUPERGIRL villain.
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- more than a month ago
- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 107
Mentioned this in the Reign trailer on the News Page; it could be that we're only seeing her be Reign but, the Sam persona is also still active. I'm hoping that it's just Reign but, who knows. I'm just excited to see the materialization of the character and her impact on Supergirl (literally!)
Yeah its probably just Reign pretending to be Sam. Im kind of worried because this means that if Reign later discovers Kara is Supergirl....it will kind of be like season 1 of the Flash where Thawne was among them the whole time and just one step ahead of Barry the entire time. Also she might try to make it hard for Kara at work too.
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- Supergirl General Discussion
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Looks like from the pictures that Reign is going to try and play herself off as good ol' Sam....
But we know from the trailer thats not quite right...because theres ominous music of Sam from the back while Ruby approaches her and Sam has the reign outfit under. Reign is pretty much just 'acting' the part of Sam I feel. We might find out if thats true tomorrow.
Makes me feel bad though, if Sam is awake at any level in there somewhere what is she thinking seeing herself forced to do bad things? (remember she wanted to be a hero like super girl and was excited to, but now will instead be her great enemy)
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Soooo... Will Reign know Kara's secret? Has someone already asked and answered that?
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Looks like from the pictures that Reign is going to try and play herself off as good ol' Sam....Yeah, my guess is that it's going to take a few episodes for SG to figure out that Reign is Sam. It'll be interesting to see what event gives Sam away because I think it is difficult to distinguish that Reign is Sam with the mask on; which is in contrast to Kara's "disguise".
Thanks for that article, Kiwi. It was a good read. Right now, I am not rooting for the villain in the respect that I want Sam to re-emerge. Quite the opposite, actually. If Reign is played out for an extended time and is shown to be an almost unbeatable foe for SG during that time, then yes, at the end I will be rooting for Sam and SG. But, at the moment, I am rooting for her to live up to her potential as Reign.
So, I am going to assume that since Reign is of Krytponian origin, she is vulnerable to kryptonite, too, correct?
The sneak peak got me even more confused. Apparently Sam is acting confused when waking up? I think Reign is active when she goes out in front of other people besides Ruby, to prevent her from saying things, and Sam is only active inside the house probably.
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- Supergirl General Discussion
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Late to the party but Reign is precisely what this show needed.
I hope she gets more powerful. We know she can defeat Kara easily now so it's not for that reason, but just that well, "Worldkiller", so far it takes her a few minutes to beat down a gang. Not quite the killer of worlds yet.
I hope she gets more powerful. We know she can defeat Kara easily now so it's not for that reason, but just that well, "Worldkiller", so far it takes her a few minutes to beat down a gang. Not quite the killer of worlds yet.
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- Supergirl General Discussion
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I would think that a priestess who knows more of the history of Krypton, thus possibly more about Reign, would be a valuable source for Kara to seek out. So, yeah, possibly that is the purpose of that episode.While a nice point about the priestess, SuperMatt, I think that Sam as Sam would not be held responsible for those deaths. I am also thinking that Morgan Edge must be a little nervous realizing that it wasn’t Supergirl shooting heat vision at him.
Argo
Yeah I was thinking the same. Like Deathstroke on arrow has killed way more, and yet Oliver still let him go to try to find his son a few weeks ago.
I know people were speculating that Reign and Morgan edge would team up , but now I do not think that is the case. I know there was supposed to be episode 11 called 'Fort Rozz' and maybe we all misunderstood that as thinking Kara physically visits Fort Rozz or Reign does. What if thats about the forgotten prisoners, other kryptonians that just wanted to live a quiet life and didnt participate in Astra's plan? If so, as a former fort rozz inmate, I suspect the priestess might appear in the episode titled 'Fort Rozz'
Argo, do you think that Edge actually thought it was Supergirl or was he just trying to throw supposition onto her for his own gain?
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During the season so far, the main conflict that Kara has been facing is her humanity versus her alieness. I think that the events of 3x09 might actually deepen that conflict for her and we will see her struggle even more with it for the rest of the season.
In addition, the prediction by many is that they will try and save Sam. I read an article (can't remember which one) that stated that some of the members of the DEO team will think that Sam should try to be saved and some will think that the attempt shouldn't be made.
My question is who is on which side?
With Kara already questioning her humanity, experiencing a brush with mortality and maybe being a bit more leery of Reign, will she become the cold alien and not want to try and save Sam?
Thoughts?
In addition, the prediction by many is that they will try and save Sam. I read an article (can't remember which one) that stated that some of the members of the DEO team will think that Sam should try to be saved and some will think that the attempt shouldn't be made.
My question is who is on which side?
With Kara already questioning her humanity, experiencing a brush with mortality and maybe being a bit more leery of Reign, will she become the cold alien and not want to try and save Sam?
Thoughts?
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With Kara already questioning her humanity, experiencing a brush with mortality and maybe being a bit more leery of Reign, will she become the cold alien and not want to try and save Sam?
Thoughts?
I sincerely hope it's not Kara being that cold, this version of the character is not like that to me and Kara's recent encounter with Overgirl should have shown her what she could become if she ditches her humanity. So I trust that when Kara finds out Reign is Samantha that she will try at first to redeem and save her.
Yeah I wonder if the first thing Kara thinks when she finds out Reign's secret...is if she will think Sam was lying to her all this time and was always Reign. (Similar to Eobard Thawne pretended to be good at first in Flash season 1, and Zoom in Flash season 2 pretended to be an ally, same for prometheus in Arrow Season 5)
What makes Sam different is she doesnt know she's the villain so Kara shouldn't jump to that conclusion immediately after unmasking her at least I dont think. (Like if Sam professes not to know whats happening, that shouldn't be followed up by Kara punching her, accusing her of lying)
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Ok so... Riddle me this... it's obvious that Sam likes to unwind with alcohol, as seen in her need to de-stress at the Danvers' Christmas party. So, if Kara has always known she can't get drunk, how has Sam not noticed? Lol #DeepThoughts
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- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 116
If the first thing she thinks is that Sam has been lying, IMO, that isn't Kara....
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If the first thing she thinks is that Sam has been lying, IMO, that isn't Kara....
So its your opinion that Kara would be willing to give Sam the benefit of the doubt that she is innocent? (Although by this time with how strong Reign is, it will take either Ruby or a very strong Psychic like J'onn or Imra to bring Sam out)
Im also wondering if Reign's unmasking will be public or private. (Like the mask gets ripped off in a fight in private, or if its in front of a crowd like in the public fight this week) Its just I dont like the Reign mask she has on and would rather Reign fights without the mask in front of Sam's friends to see their reactions.
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I think there will be a point where Sam figures out she’s the one who almost killed Supergirl and is causing all the destruction. I think it will happen before anyone else figures it out. For a time she’ll try to handle it on her own but eventually she’ll send Ruby away and go to her friends Kara and Lena for help. Remember in S3E5 Kara told Sam as a reporter she has a contact in government agency. Kara will convince Sam to let the DEO help her and Sam will go willingly. Sam will spend a few episodes in containment while the team including Lena tries to help her. Then Reign will break out of the DEO and Sam will be gone. The team will make one last effort by using Ruby but it won’t work. In the end everyone is heartbroken but realizes Reign must be stopped.
Now, I could definitely see this happening.
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- Supergirl General Discussion
- # 119
As others have said, I could see that happening too, and that could be a reason for Reign to be 'out of the picture' even for a while if Sam manages to get herself in containment before her next relapse.
Also someone said there hasn't been sympathetic villains on the arrow verse before? Or did they mean lead villains?
I think Mick Rory and Leonard Snart were pretty sympathetic and both managed to get redeemed. Hell, Mick has had the most development of any former villain in the arrow verse as a result of being a lead on legends for three seasons. This season alone we've had episodes on Legends like the one where Mick met his dad where it was just a tour de force of perfect acting and emotion.
Also someone said there hasn't been sympathetic villains on the arrow verse before? Or did they mean lead villains?
I think Mick Rory and Leonard Snart were pretty sympathetic and both managed to get redeemed. Hell, Mick has had the most development of any former villain in the arrow verse as a result of being a lead on legends for three seasons. This season alone we've had episodes on Legends like the one where Mick met his dad where it was just a tour de force of perfect acting and emotion.
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