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I thought that it might be nice to have one place to discuss the character of Reign as we progress through this season. While I'm a bit sad about the character turning evil, I am very eager to see the extent that the writers will go with the villain. She has the possibility of being quite the formidable foe for Supergirl.

Perhaps we can start with some facts about her that we know at the moment and add to the list as we find out more details.

I'll start a list and I can add to it later. Even though the character exists in the comics, I thought that it might be better to keep those facts off the list until they present themselves as we're not sure what aspects the writers will use from her comic book counterpart. But, feel free to discuss any aspect of the character.

KNOWN DETAILS ON REIGN

Human persona
- Name Samantha
- Adopted
- 12 year old daughter named Ruby (had Ruby when young)
- Father of Ruby unknown
- Known Lena for a long time
- Arrived on Earth when Kal-El did
- Estranged from adopted mother
- Mother found Sam in Krypton pod
- Turned to Reign after a trigger
- Seems to suffer type of split personality (doesn't recall actions as Reign)
- Loses time when Reign

Alien persona
- From Krypton
- Genetically engineered
- Connection with Alura
- World Killer
- Fortress of Sanctuary- in a desert, exact location unknown
- From a time before Fathoming
- Built to cleanse the scourge and deliver the Awakening
- Dispenser of Justice/Vengeance
- Believes that those who stand by and do nothing are guilty of crimes
- Seems to take orders from higher source (hologram)

Powers exhibited
-Super strength
-Invulnerable to bullets
-Super Speed
-Red laser heat
-Flight
-Super Vision
- Freeze breath
-Powers not dependent on yellow sun
-Not as susceptible to electricity as Supergirl

Weakness
-Pure form of kryptonite injected into body
-Psi and other telepaths
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thanks for making a thread so we can all keep up with her powers, and motivation!
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"Invisible to bullets" is a power I'd totally want and go for though. :)
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Agreed. Great thread, Sully!

We're all pretty sure the League is actually in the ship. But, seeing the headline on this makes me wonder....what if Sam is able to redeem herself eventually turning "good," if only but at the very end, and helps defeat other worldkillers to save her friends and Ruby?

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I think the connection with Alura is that Kara's DAD, was a part of the Science Guild that began this little project and it is Kara's DNA that was used and that is the dream connection.....I think possibly somethings went wrong, and the test tube babies were supposed to have been destroyed before they were fully developed and some one or some people from the Science Guild went rogue (not Kara's father) and we have Reign.
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Agreed. Great thread, Sully!

We're all pretty sure the League is actually in the ship. But, seeing the headline on this makes me wonder....what if Sam is able to redeem herself eventually turning "good," if only but at the very end, and helps defeat other worldkillers to save her friends and Ruby?

Are There Other Worldkillers


Yeah I just read that, that article was very instructive. Something Odette says in that article opened my eyes.

"her motives are not to kill everyone.It’s very specific and it’s very pointed and it’s all happening for a reason"
I think Reign is there for a mission, but as Odette said in the article she doesnt know what that is herself.

Remember in an earlier article they said Sam would do anything for Ruby? I think if Kara points out that her actions are going to cause harm to Ruby, Sam would be able to suppress Reign (but still manage to have the powers) and fight against whatever other threat there is, but going out as a powered Sam, not as 'Reign'.
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- Powers exhibited
Invisible to bullets

I may be wrong but is that meant to read Invulnerable to bullets?.

Yep! Thanks for the heads-up, Kiwi!

"Invisible to bullets" is a power I'd totally want and go for though. :)

SSAV - There are many days where I wish I had the power to become invisible :D

...what if Sam is able to redeem herself eventually turning "good," if only but at the very end, and helps defeat other worldkillers to save her friends and Ruby?

evrafter - I can see this happening as a resolution of ending the character of Reign and I'd be okay with that, IF, as you said it was at the end. I wouldn't want it to be a quick fix to her character though. Ideally, for me, it would be only after she created havoc upon the world for an extended amount of episodes. (That's not too diabolical of me, is it?;) ) Thanks for the link to the article, btw. Good read.

I think the connection with Alura is that Kara's DAD, was a part of the Science Guild that began this little project and it is Kara's DNA that was used and that is the dream connection.

Kelly - oh, interesting theory! So, that would make Reign/Sam kind of like an evil genetic clone of Kara in some way? That would certainly make the conflict for Kara a bit higher, wouldn't it!

"her motives are not to kill everyone.It’s very specific and it’s very pointed and it’s all happening for a reason"
I think Reign is there for a mission, but as Odette said in the article she doesnt know what that is herself.

SuperMatt - I wonder if that specific purpose is Supergirl. The article kind of eludes to that in a way, doesn't? If she is connected to Kara, either biologically or just from the same planet, and her mission is to destroy those from Krypton, that would make sense to me.

Question - anyone know who the woman is that appeared to Sam in the bathroom during episode 4, I think? The one with the hood? I don't think that wasn't the same actress that played Alura so, it wouldn't have been her.
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"Question - anyone know who the woman is that appeared to Sam in the bathroom during episode 4, I think? The one with the hood? I don't think that wasn't the same actress that played Alura so, it wouldn't have been her."

Hey, Sully....if you're asking who the actress is, I have no answer. If you're asking who the character is, I believe it's one of the peeps who put Reign in her pod at the end of Season 2.

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Thanks for that evrafter! I hadn't seen that and it makes some sense now.

In the background it looks like Krypton was exploding, doesn't? Which would imply that Sam was put into the pod at the same time that Kara was also put into one. Since both Kara and Sam appear to be close in age, that would mean that Sam's pod must have gotten stuck in the Phantom Zone like Kara....or she has some slow-aging genetics ;)
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Thanks for that evrafter! I hadn't seen that and it makes some sense now.

In the background it looks like Krypton was exploding, doesn't? Which would imply that Sam was put into the pod at the same time that Kara was also put into one. Since both Kara and Sam appear to be close in age, that would mean that Sam's pod must have gotten stuck in the Phantom Zone like Kara....or she has some slow-aging genetics ;)

At SDCC Odette said that Reign’s pod made it to Earth straightaway like Superman’s. Sam is 35/36, like Clark and Kara she looks younger. Odette is actually 32.
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Wonderful thread, Sully! Don't have anything to add at this time as much of what I suppose has been expressed.

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A few months ago Gavagai asked the question Is Eliza Danvers due for a kidnapping? (https://supergirl.tv/forum/is-eliza-danvers-due-for-a-kidnapping).

In the most recent episode (5) Kara told Samantha about Eliza and it got me to thinking, could Reign in a future Season 3 episode actually kidnap and threaten to kill Eliza to get at Kara?.

Any thoughts on this possibility?.


I wonder if that wouldn't end up being a repeat of the season 1 episode where they captured Alura but Non kidnapped Alex? I think it was?

Anyway in this instance Kara might have to face a bigger dilemma, say whether to use an innocent girl like Ruby as a pawn to free her mother.
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Cccrrrraaaaapppp!! Crap crap crap CRAP!!

I just rewatched this week's episode and.... I... LOVE... SAM!! Like.. I would watch a show entirely based on her character. Odette is really good--smooth, believable dialogue deliverance, good facials, just seems like a solid character.

Crap! Crap! Crap! Crap! This is gonna sucketh.
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Cccrrrraaaaapppp!! Crap crap crap CRAP!!

I just rewatched this week's episode and.... I... LOVE... SAM!! Like.. I would watch a show entirely based on her character. Odette is really good--smooth, believable dialogue deliverance, good facials, just seems like a solid character.

Crap! Crap! Crap! Crap! This is gonna sucketh.


I'm already feeling sad about it......BUT DAMN, THAT IS WHY IT IS SO FREAKING GOOD..........holy crap what a storyline.
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There's always the very real possibility that Reign could threaten Eliza. Max basically did the same thing in Season 1 when he disclosed to SG how much he knew about her family. I hope they don't go that route as it is t oo obvious of a cliche in television storytelling. But, it does make me wonder if, when Samantha fully emerges as Reign, will she know that Kara and Supergirl are one in the same? If so, will that stay a secret or will she possibly let Lena know ;) ?

The writers have gone out of their way to point out some parallels between Samantha and Kara ie., being adopted, both being active in swimming. Will the writers show other commonalities between the two characters?

One last thought, going along with what Kelly proposed about Sam being a genetic clone of Kara's: there's been talk about Alex adopting Ruby at the end but, if it is true that Sam is related to Kara genetically, will Kara feel a sense of obligation to take in Ruby, especially if there is a possibility of Ruby having powers? Maybe Kara and Alex raise Ruby together?

Thanks, Brierrose. She looks closer to Kara's age but, I suppose that is because Melissa and Odette are closer in age. But, you can't always go by appearances as Chyler doesn't look 35, either. That woman has some good genes!

evrafter - I feel for ya! :( The fact that I have already began to feel a bit of an attachment for the character says a lot about Odette's acting ability. She's my favorite new addition to the show so far.
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There's always the very real possibility that Reign could threaten Eliza. Max basically did the same thing in Season 1 when he disclosed to SG how much he knew about her family. I hope they don't go that route as it is t oo obvious of a cliche in television storytelling. But, it does make me wonder if, when Samantha fully emerges as Reign, will she know that Kara and Supergirl are one in the same? If so, will that stay a secret or will she possibly let Lena know ;) ?

The writers have gone out of their way to point out some parallels between Samantha and Kara ie., being adopted, both being active in swimming. Will the writers show other commonalities between the two characters?

One last thought, going along with what Kelly proposed about Sam being a genetic clone of Kara's: there's been talk about Alex adopting Ruby at the end but, if it is true that Sam is related to Kara genetically, will Kara feel a sense of obligation to take in Ruby, especially if there is a possibility of Ruby having powers? Maybe Kara and Alex raise Ruby together?

Thanks, Brierrose. She looks closer to Kara's age but, I suppose that is because Melissa and Odette are closer in age. But, you can't always go by appearances as Chyler doesn't look 35, either. That woman has some good genes!

evrafter - I feel for ya! :( The fact that I have already began to feel a bit of an attachment for the character says a lot about Odette's acting ability. She's my favorite new addition to the show so far.


Yeah that reminded me, if Sam and Kara are related then Ruby might be Kara's niece of a sort. And I do see Alex taking in Ruby bc of all the talk about kids plus if she does have powers, the DEO is probably her best hope for integration into a normal life after her mom became a super villain.

Yeah, I wonder if they will keep up Sam's characterization...I dont want it all to go out the window when she becomes Reign. Like maybe show us that Sam is still in there somewhere.
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Cccrrrraaaaapppp!! Crap crap crap CRAP!!

I just rewatched this week's episode and.... I... LOVE... SAM!! Like.. I would watch a show entirely based on her character. Odette is really good--smooth, believable dialogue deliverance, good facials, just seems like a solid character.

Crap! Crap! Crap! Crap! This is gonna sucketh.


I'm already feeling sad about it......BUT DAMN, THAT IS WHY IT IS SO FREAKING GOOD..........holy crap what a storyline.


Yeah. Part of me wants Sam to be redeemed at the very very end. But then there's the other side that wants the Greek tragedy... like... Full blown, cry it all out Greek tragedy. Lol *hands Kelly an extra box of Kleenex to have on the ready*
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based on the fact that on every tv show and comic book's big bad knows the superhero's identity either prior or discover later on that raises my suspicions on how Reign is going to find out and when. Then when she does i bet that this will empower Sam and give her the upper hand to take down Reign and at first i thought that this might make Sam a little angry but Sam also kept her secrets so that wouldn't make sense so she couldn't be mad. And will Sam even remember her horrible acts or will it kinda be like blackouts? If she doesn't remember will supergirl confront Sam as herself and be shocked when Sam has no idea what she is talking about? Since episode 6 is all about Alex and Kara and no Sam and Reign will make an appearance in episode nine and then episode 8 will be the crossover and that means no Sam i think Reign will be born in episode 7 which makes perfect sense since Sam does seek answers from her mom and maybe she might have the pod and that is where she gets the suit. and her origin. There was an interview that claimed that Reign's powers will be nothing like Supergirl's and that they will be a surprise. Yes she can is bullet proof, has superstrength, and can fly but i wonder what else she can do. How will this affect Ruby and who is the father? And does Ruby have powers? Will Ruby even know at the beginning that her mom is Reign? Because if the blackout theory is true who knows if Ruby will know when the Reign fallout happens. Will Ruby try to seek help and will Reign even care about Ruby? Who will Ruby go to or will someone go to her? Once Reign finds out her identity will she attack Kara at her house or maybe even at CatCo? Will Reign tell Lena that Supergirl is Kara? Will Reign kidnap Eliza or maybe even Alex? Or possibly Lena? Will there be more worldkillers? so much questions and so little answers.
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Nice thread Sully.

Something dramatic must happen to Samantha in Episode 7 if she becomes Reign in Episode 9. Given that Samantha is unlikely to be in Episode 6 (Midvale) or Episode 8 (Crossover) it will be interesting to see what happens. I thought they wouldn't introduce her Reign persona till about Episode 15 so they are certainly moving faster than I anticpated.

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Invisible to bullets

I may be wrong but is that meant to read Invulnerable to bullets?.

Well in episode 7 Sam does go to her (adoptive) mom for answers and I bet that she will have the pod that Reign was sent in and that is where she will get the suit and stuff but I bet her powers work kinda like killer frost`s
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Well in episode 7 Sam does go to her (adoptive) mom for answers and I bet that she will have the pod that Reign was sent in and that is where she will get the suit and stuff but I bet her powers work kinda like killer frost`s


Interesting you should say that, Supergirlfan. I was thinking the other day, that's how the show runners could, if they wanted, keep Sam past Season 3--let her be like Kaitlyn. If this season does end up with Sam eventually redeeming herself at the very end--choosing to do a last minute save against a larger foe (i.e a group of worldkiller)--next season Sam's story could mirror Kaitlyn, CHOOSing not to be Reign, and choose not to use her powers. Actually, that would also mirror pre-Supergirl Kara.

But, then again, a horrible side of my wants the full Greek tragedy of us loving Sam, but she, in the end, needs to be destroyed :o
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Well in episode 7 Sam does go to her (adoptive) mom for answers and I bet that she will have the pod that Reign was sent in and that is where she will get the suit and stuff but I bet her powers work kinda like killer frost`s


Interesting you should say that, Supergirlfan. I was thinking the other day, that's how the show runners could, if they wanted, keep Sam past Season 3--let her be like Kaitlyn. If this season does end up with Sam eventually redeeming herself at the very end--choosing to do a last minute save against a larger foe (i.e a group of worldkiller)--next season Sam's story could mirror Kaitlyn, CHOOSing not to be Reign, and choose not to use her powers. Actually, that would also mirror pre-Supergirl Kara.

But, then again, a horrible side of my wants the full Greek tragedy of us loving Sam, but she, in the end, needs to be destroyed :o

Good idea and I do agree I do want her to stay and be like Kaitlyn but a large part of me wants her to actually sacrifice herself in the end to the world or something and ends up dying but also the hero and Kara is the one that had the huge lecture to Reign that made Sam come back :D
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