Who thinks that Mon-El and Kara have a chance of getting back together after what was released about the "heart wrenching" finale?

RIP Karamel 2017-2018 (post this episode)

I vote for no more dating with anyone in the future.

Let's examine what the romance kerfuffle has done

- Karamel fans are now angry. They got hyped up from last season, then thrice denied. First split, Mon-El leaves, returns but married, teased about reconciliation, reconciliation denied

- I don't even know how SuperCorp came to be, but they're angry too and have been angry from the start. They get angry every time Mon-El appears no matter what he does, or even if Karamel is dead, and now they probably get angry at James too.

- Both camps are angry with the show and angry with each-other, and apparently 90% of the visible fandom is from either ship, resulting the social media relating to the show a war zone utterly hazardous to anyone who doesn't ship.

- Future pairings will only generate new ships and new counter-ships, and old ones don't die. Those guys will be angry with each other, with KM and SC still going at it, and probably angry at the future ships too.

- Marc Guggenheim gleefully laughs at the Arrow method being so successfully repeated

I think if the finale is indeed "heart wrenching" it'll have little to do with Kara and Mon El's relationship status, unless one of them dies. Any tragedy in the end should really revolve around Sam/Reign and Ruby.

RIP Karamel 2017-2018 (post this episode)

I vote for no more dating with anyone in the future.

Let's examine what the romance kerfuffle has done

- Karamel fans are now angry. They got hyped up from last season, then thrice denied. First split, Mon-El leaves, returns but married, teased about reconciliation, reconciliation denied

- I don't even know how SuperCorp came to be, but they're angry too and have been angry from the start. They get angry every time Mon-El appears no matter what he does, or even if Karamel is dead, and now they probably get angry at James too.

- Both camps are angry with the show and angry with each-other, and apparently 90% of the visible fandom is from either ship, resulting the social media relating to the show a war zone utterly hazardous to anyone who doesn't ship.

- Future pairings will only generate new ships and new counter-ships, and old ones don't die. Those guys will be angry with each other, with KM and SC still going at it, and probably angry at the future ships too.

- Marc Guggenheim gleefully laughs at the Arrow method being so successfully repeated

I don't think both fandoms are anywhere near 90% of the fans of the show.....I think they are simply LOUDER than 90% of the fans of the show.

I think what we are now seeing is the writers and showrunners drawing a line in the sand. You are either a fan of Supergirl as a whole, or you are fan of 1 actor and or ship. So take your choice or move on. IMO, I'm all for that.....draw that line and see who crosses and who doesn't.

The problem with Arrow is, they fell to the ships.....they caved. Hopefully Supergirl does not.

- I don't even know how SuperCorp came to be, but they're angry too and have been angry from the start. They get angry every time Mon-El appears no matter what he does, or even if Karamel is dead, and now they probably get angry at James too.

- Both camps are angry with the show and angry with each-other, and apparently 90% of the visible fandom is from either ship, resulting the social media relating to the show a war zone utterly hazardous to anyone who doesn't ship.

I joke not when I say, this is the ONLY site I can go to now for REAL Supergirl talk. Twitter is a HOT mess due to overzealous parts of Karamel and Supercorp shippers. And then there's the peeps who got offended at the beginning of the season, who vowed not to watch ever again but follow the conversations just to shoot them down.

So...YAY us for keepin it real here

Hence I said visible fandom lol. I’m aware that most normal people who enjoy the show don’t post much.

"And then there's the peeps who got offended at the beginning of the season"

By what?

"The problem with Arrow is, they fell to the ships.....they caved. Hopefully Supergirl does not."

If SG later retcons the sexuality of Kara and Lena to appease SC I'm done

"And then there's the peeps who got offended at the beginning of the season"

By what?

By what? By WHAT?? Fedguy, are you extra tired right now? Lol Maggie leaving the show, that's what. *waits for Fedguy to pause, slap his forehead, and say "Ooohhhh yyyeeaaahhh, ddduuuhhh* lol

We all THOUGHT Oliver and Laurel would be endgame. They've been together in MANY iterations of the characters (don't ask me why they went the Felicity route, I don't hate the character, but the relationship felt forced, to me).

OOOOO... MMMM... GGG..... Thank you!!!! lol

"And then there's the peeps who got offended at the beginning of the season"

By what?

By what? By WHAT?? Fedguy, are you extra tired right now? Lol Maggie leaving the show, that's what. *waits for Fedguy to pause, slap his forehead, and say "Ooohhhh yyyeeaaahhh, ddduuuhhh* lol

I felt relieved when that happened, didn’t notice. (Sanvers calls airstrike on my location in 3,2,1)

As to kdogg’s thing, resuming with Mon-El may not be the best answer, but as to the amount of further romance drama this show can take, the options are, 1, many, or none.

Many = Doom and chaos

Only 1 or none may result in stability. I too would rather she just stayed with Mon-El. They spent a season building it up and justifying it, only to end it for a few episodes worth of drama.

Maybe it’s some kind of marketing. Maybe all the ships get them views.

But enough is enough. Next one either be final, or no more.

We all knew Barry and Iris would be endgame. They are married in the comics. We all THOUGHT Oliver and Laurel would be endgame. They've been together in MANY iterations of the characters (don't ask me why they went the Felicity route, I don't hate the character, but the relationship felt forced, to me).

The difference is that Supergirl has NEVER had one of those long term romances who she's been DESTINED to be with for decades, that have defined other characters. She doesn't have an equivalent of Lois Lane to Superman, Iris West to Flash, Dinah Lance to Green Arrow, Carol Ferris to Green Lantern. I think she had a short stint with Mon-El, at some point.

Sorry to butt in, but I would think that the closest thing to an 'endgame' Kara has would be Brainiac 5. Don't they have a decades long history together? If I remember correctly they first were together back in the 60s and it was a lot of off-and-on kinda thing.

Also, I don't remember there ever being a short stint with Mon-El... if there was does anyone which comic series?

"I guess I'm just bored with them still talking about their relationship now after we spent nearly an entire Season (2) on it."

Exactly. The bit on this week's episode was overkill and just the writers milking it. Or trying to finish it awkwardly.

Kara knew all of Mon-El's faults back in S2, and she was already angry about them before, forgave them, and moved on. To double back on that, especially because seeing Mon-El as a better person now, makes no sense at all and makes her look mean.

Keep in mind, I'm a man, as I say this, so I may not fully comprehend the way women feel on this topic. I can try to, but never will. Nature of the different genders. But I personally feel that there is this OVERWHELMING need for women, especially in tv and film, to be part of a couple. Like it's part of what defines them.

Supergirl's purpose (the show, not the character) from the start has been to fight for equality and to try and overcome a lot of the gender specific stereotypes. For that reason, I'd prefer Kara stay single, and not have part of herself (and by extension, her show) be defined by who she's in a relationship with. Or at the very least, not have a long term relationship. I don't want the "Supergirl and Mon-El" show, or the "Supergirl and Lena" show. I want "Supergirl".

Kdogg, I'm a woman and I can say that I feel exactly the way you do on the topic of women and their defined purpose in t.v. and film.

This doesn't mean that women shouldn't be in relationships rather, it is completely about the focus of it within the character's story on the show. In many male dominated shows, it is not uncommon for most of a character's relationship to be implied, off-screen, and occasionally written into a story. However, often times in the case of women, specifically with Kara and Alex, the significant other is a main character and the relationship seeps into every aspect of the character's day to day life. I think that it is not just a character stereotype but, also an uninformed belief by those in charge that relationship heavy episodes are the only kind that female viewers (of any age) are interested in seeing.

I also agree with you on not wanting a "Supergirl and Mon-El" or "Supergirl and Lena" show. I think that some viewers tend to forget that this is not a show about Mon-El or Lena but, rather a show about Kara and those characters happen to be a part of her life at the moment.

"And then there's the peeps who got offended at the beginning of the season"

By what?

By what? By WHAT?? Fedguy, are you extra tired right now? Lol Maggie leaving the show, that's what. *waits for Fedguy to pause, slap his forehead, and say "Ooohhhh yyyeeaaahhh, ddduuuhhh* lol

Gonna be honest. I was happy for it. Much like the Mon-El relationship, it was one of those relationships that seeped into every aspect of the show. I have absolutely nothing against LGBT relationships, but I was never a fan of Maggie as a character. As a character, she seemed very selfish.

Alex confronted her once, about Maggie calling her out for liking her, getting her to come out, then rejecting her. When trying to convince Alex to come out, she lied about how well her own family took her coming out.

She gets upset at Alex, for getting upset when Kara is missing in "Supergirl Lives". She says "you get one chance". Really not how a relationship should work.

Maggie gets upset because Alex wants to celebrate Valentines Day. WTF.

She draws the line of "I don't want kids", and that's the end of it.

And then the big thing that ALL of the Sanvers folk seem to ignore, Floriana CHOSE to leave the show. That's the big thing that annoys me about all of the "bring Maggie back" posts on social media.

Maggie was a great way to open a new doorway for new and more personal stories with Alex. But that relationship was never as perfect as people like to make it seem. Alex gave way more of herself, from what I can see, than Maggie did.

And then, side note, I don't exactly like how Alex completely lost herself in that relationship, to the detriment of other parts of her life. I'm referring to how she (and everyone else) were so involved in their own stuff that NOBODY realized Kara was missing in "The Darkest Place". Or how she bailed pretty easily on Kara's Earth Birthday in "The Martian Chronicles".

Again, these are just opinion. I will never spew hateful rhetoric towards others who supported the relationship. And if I'm being fair, I have just as many critiques in my back pocket about the Mon-El relationship, which is what the title of this thread is about.

We all knew Barry and Iris would be endgame. They are married in the comics. We all THOUGHT Oliver and Laurel would be endgame. They've been together in MANY iterations of the characters (don't ask me why they went the Felicity route, I don't hate the character, but the relationship felt forced, to me).

The difference is that Supergirl has NEVER had one of those long term romances who she's been DESTINED to be with for decades, that have defined other characters. She doesn't have an equivalent of Lois Lane to Superman, Iris West to Flash, Dinah Lance to Green Arrow, Carol Ferris to Green Lantern. I think she had a short stint with Mon-El, at some point.

Sorry to butt in, but I would think that the closest thing to an 'endgame' Kara has would be Brainiac 5. Don't they have a decades long history together? If I remember correctly they first were together back in the 60s and it was a lot of off-and-on kinda thing.

Also, I don't remember there ever being a short stint with Mon-El... if there was does anyone which comic series?

Brainy is pretty much someone she dated...they were not together for very long. Certainly not decades.

We all knew Barry and Iris would be endgame. They are married in the comics. We all THOUGHT Oliver and Laurel would be endgame. They've been together in MANY iterations of the characters (don't ask me why they went the Felicity route, I don't hate the character, but the relationship felt forced, to me).

The difference is that Supergirl has NEVER had one of those long term romances who she's been DESTINED to be with for decades, that have defined other characters. She doesn't have an equivalent of Lois Lane to Superman, Iris West to Flash, Dinah Lance to Green Arrow, Carol Ferris to Green Lantern. I think she had a short stint with Mon-El, at some point.

Sorry to butt in, but I would think that the closest thing to an 'endgame' Kara has would be Brainiac 5. Don't they have a decades long history together? If I remember correctly they first were together back in the 60s and it was a lot of off-and-on kinda thing.

Also, I don't remember there ever being a short stint with Mon-El... if there was does anyone which comic series?

Brainy is pretty much someone she dated...they were not together all that long, but through several iterations for sure......Supergirl in the end ends up with no one.

We all knew Barry and Iris would be endgame. They are married in the comics. We all THOUGHT Oliver and Laurel would be endgame. They've been together in MANY iterations of the characters (don't ask me why they went the Felicity route, I don't hate the character, but the relationship felt forced, to me).

The difference is that Supergirl has NEVER had one of those long term romances who she's been DESTINED to be with for decades, that have defined other characters. She doesn't have an equivalent of Lois Lane to Superman, Iris West to Flash, Dinah Lance to Green Arrow, Carol Ferris to Green Lantern. I think she had a short stint with Mon-El, at some point.

Sorry to butt in, but I would think that the closest thing to an 'endgame' Kara has would be Brainiac 5. Don't they have a decades long history together? If I remember correctly they first were together back in the 60s and it was a lot of off-and-on kinda thing.

Also, I don't remember there ever being a short stint with Mon-El... if there was does anyone which comic series?

Brainy is pretty much someone she dated...they were not together all that long, but through several iterations for sure......Supergirl in the end ends up with no one.

I understand that Supergirl has no true endgame, but would it be safe to say that Brainy is her main 'love interest' in the cb world?

And yes I didn't mean they were together for decades, but instead have a history of being together in multiple comic series that have spanned decades.

I understand that Supergirl has no true endgame, but would it be safe to say that Brainy is her main 'love interest' in the cb world?

And yes I didn't mean they were together for decades, but instead have a history of being together in multiple comic series that have spanned decades.

I actually don't know that i'ts safe to say that Brainy is her main love interest in the "Comic Book" world.

I've read Supergirl books since the 1990's, and tried to catch up on things prior to that. And I've tried to look up her and Brainy, prior to that. From what I can tell, if they were together, it was incredibly brief, and in the Silver Age. He's always had more of a "puppy love" vibe towards her, that either went unrequited, or that she left in favor of her life as Supergirl in the present, as opposed to staying with him in the future. This puppy love aspect was worked into other mediums, like when the Legion appeared in "Justice League Unlimited", and Brainiac 5 had a crush on Supergirl. Though, in that one episode, she seemed to recepricate by the end.

Those old comics were also super sexist, with many issues focusing on Supergirl crying over a one-issue boyfriend, or super villains wanting to make Supergirl their mate, or breed with her. Super creepy.

In reality, the longest relationship of Supergirl's that I know of is Alexander Luthor (Supposedly Lex's son, but in reality Lex in a younger clone body of himself). Lex used Supergirl to his own ends, before she realized it and turned on him. And that wasn't even the "Kara Zor-El" version of Supergirl. That was the weird "Matrix" Supergirl that existed in the 1990's.

Ever since Supergirl was rebooted in 2004 and brought Kara Zor-El back into continuity, she hasn't had a real long term relationship. She had an abusive 2 issue relationship with Power Boy (who she proceeded to beat the crap out of). Brainy has appeared, and professed his love, but she wasn't the Supergirl he knew (as he knew the Pre-Crisis Supergirl), so she didn't know him.

She didn't really have any relationships in the New 52 continuity. She might now have a boyfriend in Rebirth, as I'm about 5 issues behind on my reading.

Bottom line, the thing I've always loved about Supergirl is that she didn't have / didn't need a long term/main love interest. And personally, that's how I prefer the show.

It's honestly the same thing I loved, for a long time, about Batgirl. Yes, she'd had an on-again-off-again thing with Dick Grayson, but she never NEEDED to be with him, the way Superman needed Lois, Flash needed Iris, etc.

Just my thoughts. It's fine to want her and Brainy to hook up, I guess. I just really wouldn't consider him, or anyone else, her "main" love interest, in the comics.

I don't mind relationships, per say, as long as they don't overpower the show. And that was the really big problem with both Mon-El and Maggie. That is ALL that season 2 was. And that annoys me.

I understand that Supergirl has no true endgame, but would it be safe to say that Brainy is her main 'love interest' in the cb world?

And yes I didn't mean they were together for decades, but instead have a history of being together in multiple comic series that have spanned decades.

I actually don't know that i'ts safe to say that Brainy is her main love interest in the "Comic Book" world.

I've read Supergirl books since the 1990's, and tried to catch up on things prior to that. And I've tried to look up her and Brainy, prior to that. From what I can tell, if they were together, it was incredibly brief, and in the Silver Age. He's always had more of a "puppy love" vibe towards her, that either went unrequited, or that she left in favor of her life as Supergirl in the present, as opposed to staying with him in the future. This puppy love aspect was worked into other mediums, like when the Legion appeared in "Justice League Unlimited", and Brainiac 5 had a crush on Supergirl. Though, in that one episode, she seemed to recepricate by the end.

Those old comics were also super sexist, with many issues focusing on Supergirl crying over a one-issue boyfriend, or super villains wanting to make Supergirl their mate, or breed with her. Super creepy.

In reality, the longest relationship of Supergirl's that I know of is Alexander Luthor (Supposedly Lex's son, but in reality Lex in a younger clone body of himself). Lex used Supergirl to his own ends, before she realized it and turned on him. And that wasn't even the "Kara Zor-El" version of Supergirl. That was the weird "Matrix" Supergirl that existed in the 1990's.

Ever since Supergirl was rebooted in 2004 and brought Kara Zor-El back into continuity, she hasn't had a real long term relationship. She had an abusive 2 issue relationship with Power Boy (who she proceeded to beat the crap out of). Brainy has appeared, and professed his love, but she wasn't the Supergirl he knew (as he knew the Pre-Crisis Supergirl), so she didn't know him.

She didn't really have any relationships in the New 52 continuity. She might now have a boyfriend in Rebirth, as I'm about 5 issues behind on my reading.

Bottom line, the thing I've always loved about Supergirl is that she didn't have / didn't need a long term/main love interest. And personally, that's how I prefer the show.

It's honestly the same thing I loved, for a long time, about Batgirl. Yes, she'd had an on-again-off-again thing with Dick Grayson, but she never NEEDED to be with him, the way Superman needed Lois, Flash needed Iris, etc.

Just my thoughts. It's fine to want her and Brainy to hook up, I guess. I just really wouldn't consider him, or anyone else, her "main" love interest, in the comics.

I don't mind relationships, per say, as long as they don't overpower the show. And that was the really big problem with both Mon-El and Maggie. That is ALL that season 2 was. And that annoys me.

I don't mean decades as in that is how long they were together....I mean spanned decades in different iterations of the comics. As with all that she has a relationship with....she gets with none of them, which is why I do the "eye roll" thing when anyone says she had an endgame with any particular relationship.