The State of the Supergirl Fandom

There was no attack at all from Jeremy or any of the cast. They set the record straight about 2 friends on the show. Thats it.

They never addressed Sanvers. Its like SC shippers are Totally forgetting the real LGBT couple on the show. Yet some of the SC fandom still say its an attack at LGBT. That is what makes this whole thing so weird and quite frankly ridiculous from the SC.

Even Katie laughed at that song as well so Why are they only hating on Jeremy and Mel now. The loud small and toxic part of SC fandom is the most obscure thing i witnessed ever in any fandom of any show.

Did you read any of our explanations for why we're upset or are you just gonna turn a blind eye?

Yeah i did and i and many others still see nothing wrong in what Jeremy did
SC are friends and telling it like it is like TVD cast did with Damon and Bonnie is nothing wrong with that at all

There was no attack at all from Jeremy or any of the cast. They set the record straight about 2 friends on the show. Thats it.

They never addressed Sanvers. Its like SC shippers are Totally forgetting the real LGBT couple on the show. Yet some of the SC fandom still say its an attack at LGBT. That is what makes this whole thing so weird and quite frankly ridiculous from the SC.

Even Katie laughed at that song as well so Why are they only hating on Jeremy and Mel now. The loud small and toxic part of SC fandom is the most obscure thing i witnessed ever in any fandom of any show.

Did you read any of our explanations for why we're upset or are you just gonna turn a blind eye?

It's not what was said, it's how it was said. Jeremy was proud of himself for 'debunking' a ship that's not even canon in the first place, a ship that people support because it has meaning for them, and Mel called that 'brave'. You are a prime example of why that's a problem; lesbian shippers are regularly ridiculed and attacked, and the cast has now joined in on that. I really don't know how else to explain it.

not only is this horse dead, but we've made burgers and put ketchup on this sucker at this point.

No arguing any longer, but speaking about an impact of this incident, for sometime I don't think I feel like looking at Melissa or Jeremy's social media anymore because everytime I do I see those angry comments plastered everywhere and it hurts. They don't deserve this and I've no clue how the fandom degraded thus over a year. When I first became a fan I had never seen this coming.

not only is this horse dead, but we've made burgers and put ketchup on this sucker at this point.

Excuse us for speaking out about an incident that deeply, deeply hurt the LGBT section of the fandom. Jeremy has and he seems genuinely sorry, and I for one accept that apology. That doesn't change the fact that A) It happened, B) It echoes what several of the more nasty fans have said to us, and C) Melissa has not apologized when she was the one who called Jeremy 'brave' for what he did.

I just saw the video once again. While I may see no harm, that does not dismiss others' position that it was hurtful and insensitive. IMO, this was spur of the moment and not intended to hurt anyone. I hope we all have the grace forgiving their making a mistake by accidentally insulting some groups. So let's forgive, move on, and not subject them recriminations.

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Melissa called Jeremy brave? I like her even more now. Truly well done there MB.

Jeremy wouldn't have said this if some Supercorp shippers weren't bullies and they proved how much they are bullies after the incident.

Kara and Lena's relationship is not LGBT rep. Fans making it a fanon relationship doesn't change that and if the actors and the show weren't constantly being attacked by these fanon shippers who want to make this canon, Jeremy wouldn't even know about them nor would he firmly state that they were only friends.

All this is another episode of online bullying in the Supergirl fandom.

Jeremy shouldn't have said it period. SC has nothing to do with the show, it's non-canon but he chose to include it in his recap. Those shippers were deliberately targeted and Jeremy knew there would be backlash.

You don't get to decide what is or isn't LGBT rep for my community. We have so little rep that we have to create our own, that's how SC came to be. I've been around fandoms for a while now, so while I knew better than to invest in a non-canon ship, young wlw girls did not. And those are the shippers that are upset about it, cause they just wanted to ship their ship in peace. But bc SC gained a bad rep the cast took it out on the entire SC fandom, which was a poor move on their part.

And here I am, yet again, repeating myself that this situation wasn't because he said they were friends. This has everything to do with how the cast approached the topic of SC, not what was said per se.

Now these SC are sending Death threats to Jeremy and Mel. Rahul was not only right about them. He actually downplayed them. In reality they are worse. Death threats is some serious stuff. Whats wrong with some of these
SC some of them are totally messed up

I haven't seen any death threats. Could you please tell us the accounts (twitter handles, instagram accounts) doing that so we can report them. Some links would be great, thanks.

Now these SC are sending Death threats to Jeremy and Mel. Rahul was not only right about them. He actually downplayed them. In reality they are worse. Death threats is some serious stuff. Whats wrong with some of these
SC some of them are totally messed up

I haven't seen any death threats. Could you please tell us the accounts (twitter handles, instagram accounts) doing that so we can report them. Some links would be great, thanks.

I've said my piece on this topic, so I'm done with it. You either agree or you don't. But I do agree with DraftingDrafter. If you find death threats to any of the cast on twitter, instagram, wherever, please share it here, along with a URL, so we can report it. Whether you are upset about this situation or not, personal threats towards the cast are never warranted.

It was on Mel's latest Instagram post. Guess someone deleted it But i do see the reply to it there Where its mentioned. This is pretty insane. Thank god it got deleted though

Ok that's good it got deleted. That either means it was reported and removed or the account deleted it themselves. If you (or anyone here) ever sees hate directed at the cast, especially to this degree, please notify us in this thread. The more people we can get to report these accounts, the better.

It was on Mel's latest Instagram post. Guess someone deleted it But i do see the reply to it there Where its mentioned. This is pretty insane. Thank god it got deleted though

Ok that's good it got deleted. That either means it was reported and removed or the account deleted it themselves. If you (or anyone here) ever sees hate directed at the cast, especially to this degree, please notify us in this thread. The more people we can get to report these accounts, the better.

If its the one I think it is...the account was found to be in violation.

See when this type of stuff happens, Jeremy would need to be very brave indeed to do what he did

See when this type of stuff happens, Jeremy would need to be very brave indeed to do what he did

This type of stuff happens regardless of what's happening in the fandom. Jeremy has gotten a bunch of gross hate just for being an ally and activist for the LGBT community. This hate isn't completely isolated to fandom issues, so let's not act like it is.

There was nothing brave about what was done. Causing unintentional hurt wasn't brave. Fans sending hate in retaliation isn't brave.

seems someone emailed Melissa's team for an apology. Here is the statement from her team

seems someone emailed Melissa's team for an apology. Here is the statement from her team

This really shouldn't have been done. This isn't even an official statement from Melissa and her team. This person (whoever they are) just made the situation much worse.

My thoughts exactly starlord. I don't know who this person is that wrote the email, but they really shouldn't have.

Don't think her agent would spell McGrath wrong
Idiotic move by this person to do this

seems someone emailed Melissa's team for an apology. Here is the statement from her team

See when this type of stuff happens, Jeremy would need to be very brave indeed to do what he did

This type of stuff happens regardless of what's happening in the fandom. Jeremy has gotten a bunch of gross hate just for being an ally and activist for the LGBT community. This hate isn't completely isolated to fandom issues, so let's not act like it is.

There was nothing brave about what was done. Causing unintentional hurt wasn't brave. Fans sending hate in retaliation isn't brave.

Excuse me but i quite don't understand how we escalated from expressing a point of vu "in this case for a relationship" to be immediatly related at devalorising it or being done for hurt others.
Are we gonna expect that exchanges with the actors/producers as to be reduce to posting pictures ?
When someone in this very "nice" forum gives his opinion, we can agree or not without being accuse at something we haven't even think of. Doesn't mean it's always well receive by everyone, just that we didn't have any agenda other than sharing.
And it became "brave" for them to saying what they think ? So the communities and/or internaut are taking away the ability to talk from them ? ... I don't imagine what it's like when you absolutly can't say anything that isn't transformed because of what the reader or viewer is feeling at that moment.

I take the last event here but if the issue it's really not about what Jeremy Jordan has said but how he said it, then it comes back to an interpretation relative to the viewer and his own feelings.
Feelings are real and not questionnable, but without internet everybody would have to deal with them differently first. And eventually, if it's still needed, send a mail after. Why don't keep that in mind and take a pause before responding to someone, who ever it is.
People usually don't say things to hurt others (i hope). And if they do they shouldn't

I remember the beginning of IRC and the chatrooms ... that not a leap from where we are now, it's a galaxy.

Everybody in the world has feelings. Even dictators and serial killers. There is nothing inherently special about feelings. People, whether fans or cast, need to stop acting like the world starts and ends with their feelings. Feelings shouldn't be used to oppress others. They are maybe an explanation, not an excuse for bad behavior.

Feelings are great, everybody has them, but that doesn't mean that you should wallow in them.

If you are upset over something is really that big, then maybe you really should stop watching the show or the actors for a while. And maybe actors really should close down their social media or go private or friends only, yes, even if it is sad that it deprives the fans who are not hateful to the actors.

Jeremy apologized multiple times. If you can't take that apology, then maybe you really should stop watching the show. How many of the "fans" who have sent abuse have apologized? Just because "you were upset" doesn't mean that that behavior is not worth apologizing for.

I have more faith that Jeremy won't do it again, than I have faith that those type of "fans" won't do it again. It's gotten "cool" to be hateful to actors on the show.

And yes, Jeremy has gotten hate from people for political reasons before. But the difference, I'm sure those people don't pretend to be "fans".

And the excuse shouldn't be, well, he got hate from homophobes before, so it's okay we also send him hate. It's bad behavior in either situation and there isn't really excuse for either one. Hateful homophobes shouldn't really be the standard you want to measure yourself against.

not only is this horse dead, but we've made burgers and put ketchup on this sucker at this point.

Excuse us for speaking out about an incident that deeply, deeply hurt the LGBT section of the fandom. Jeremy has and he seems genuinely sorry, and I for one accept that apology. That doesn't change the fact that A) It happened, B) It echoes what several of the more nasty fans have said to us, and C) Melissa has not apologized when she was the one who called Jeremy 'brave' for what he did.

Considering how they immediately got sent death threats, how is brave not a very apt prediction? Melissa was predicting that he would get abuse over this and lo and behold he immediately did. Why is it so hard to accept that with the type of hate the actors get it is completely reasonable for them to perceive that aspect of fandom as something scary? Why would you not be intimidated of people who send you death threats over fictional characters?

And no, the excuse that it is only because they insulted fans in real life does not cut it, because 1.) death threats are never okay, your feelings don't mean that you have the right to threaten people and 2.) Rahul was attacked like that when he hadn't done ANYTHING except play a role he was cast for and his episode hadn't even aired yet. It happened because people apparently thought he deserved to get hate for daring to get cast and accepting a job offer where his fictional character would touch another fictional character whose fictional sexuality those people happened to be invested in.

Yeah, mocking Kara/Lena also hurt the nice fans (and Jeremy has apologized), but what is this brave comment if not a commentary on those fans that are indeed scary obsessive and verbally violent over this particular couple? And who react absolutely with unreasonable hate over a completely legit decision. The show is absolutely within their right to give Lena a past boyfriend, Lena is their character. And it is completely within somebody's right to then take that role and get money for it.

The Kara/Lena fans don't want to admit to their fangroup having a huge problem with verbally abusive overly obsessive fans. And yes, other fangroups have that too and then hopefully they also have a negative reputation in their fandom. And maybe if Kara/Lena fans were gone then the Kara/Mon-El fans would do the majority of the abuse. But then the Kara/Mon-El fans would be what I would be complaining about. But right now, Kara/Lena fans make up the majority of the abuse.

It's not even comparable to the behavior by the Kara/Cat Grant shippers in season 1. I don't know why the Kara/Lena fans have so many much more mean spirited members, but that's the way it is. They are the ones who do the majority of the abuse in this particular fandom. The fact that other fans are also mean doesn't change that right now most of the aggressive fans in this fandom come out of this fan group. Those fans rightfully earned their negative reputation for being mean spirited, by being mean spirited and hateful towards the actors.

Maybe in a really weird, twisted way having Alex be gay somehow made the mean fans think if they are just mean enough to the writers they will get their couple. If so, then that's truly messed up. BECAUSE the show actually tries to do uplifting and loving representation in Alex, they in the minds of some people are suddenly fair game for abuse. When shows that are way more homophobic and never even have a gay couple or character get a free pass. What kind of destructive logic is that? Nobody is ever invited to be verbally abusive. There is no "that tv show was wearing a short skirt, so it had to expect to get that kind of reaction":