The State of the Supergirl Fandom

The emphasis wasn't essential, but is very much justified. Again it's not about sexuality. He reacted to the fact that so many people think there is something between Lena and Kara, and placed the emphasis there. Once more, this isn't straight vs gay, this is canon vs a fanfiction gone wild.

If Jeremy had something against LGBT, you'd think he said something about Alex/Maggie long ago? Nothing but positivity about Sanvers came from the cast, know why? It's canon. Sexuality got nothing to do with it.

I could see being disappointed my shipdom wasn't the shared viewpoint of my favorite cast. But.... I'm still not seeing how it was an attack on anyone's sexuality.

Let's change up the characters:

One shipdom wants Mickey Mouse to be with Daisy Duck, not Minnie Mouse. Let's ship them Dickey. Dickeys push and push for it--even to a point of attacking guest actors who portray Daisy's ex... Probably named Donald. But Mickey is with Minnie (obviously, they have no good shipname). Now... Jeremy sings, "Daisy and Mickey are just friends... It ain't gonna happen. They're...just... friends." Now, I could see Dickies being bummed Jeremy wasn't also a Dickie. But, wouldn't it be obsured to say Jeremy must then hate ducks???

I am in no way making fun. I was simply just trying to use two different characters EVERY one would know who I was talking about.

I could see SuperCorp fans being bummed, even mad at the cast for not seeing the "ship" happen in the future. But I simply can't see how it was an attack on a whole community... Most of which probably don't even watch Supergirl.

apology #2

he heard you guys. forgiven or not?

Aaannndd... To be very very clear... I'm not speaking to ANY one directly here. I'm seeing comments like under Jeremy's post and such that I'm trying to grasp....

klanked39 has sense.

klanked39 has sense.

Right?

Kara/Lena (SC) were formed as a direct result of wlw looking for some form of representation. There is a severe lack of wlw rep in media so fanon ships are born. To invalidate rep that wlw are in desperate need/want of is ugly. That's where sexuality comes in to play. Wlw rep (as non-canon as it is here) has been disrespectfully dismissed as a joke.

Supergirl the show provided representation with Alex/Maggie. But instead people keep being pushy about a different pairing even though there has been plenty of indication from the cast and crew that this is probably not in their plans (including Katie saying "for once, it's not here", yes she added that of course you can make up your own fantasy, but that doesn't change that as far as she's concerned, as far as she knows it's not actually there). .

Nobody says you have to be satisfied with only Alex/Maggie, but the excuse that all you want is some representation rings pretty hollow when the show has representation. Not to mention several other shows, including shows on the CW and even shows in the superhero genre.

If people only cared about representation in general then it wouldn't matter if it is Lena and Kara. But that is not the case. Some people act like it must be this couple in particular and nothing else is good enough and everything that stands in the way of it must be destroyed.

If all fans were just "It would be really nice if that was the case" (or "I'm fine with it being fantasy only and I won't try to change what the show is doing" it would be one thing. But there have a higher than normal number of fans who are belligerent about it and who attack everything that isn't their couple.

I have sympathy about feeling there is not enough representation for there to be a couple that fits your personal kinks, but to me it still seems kinda misleading to portray "I want a couple that hits exactly my personal kinks" as being exactly the same as "there is not enough representation".

For what it's worth I remember the Felicity/Oliver fanbase also had a reputation for being obnoxious and pushy about their couple. So it's not just a question of straight versus gay, it's not even about canon versus fanon, it's about the actions some fans (in a high enough number that it doesn't feel like isolated cases, but instead a habit) take.

Jeremy acknowledged that what he did was hurtful, so why can't some of you? If you can't see it then it's likely you're not part of our community. And if you're not part of the community why are you trying to speak over our voices?

Saying it isn't an attack on your sexuality to disagree with one specific couple isn't the same thing as saying you weren't hurt. It's easy for shippers to get hurt over shipper things.

For as much as you all talk about how hateful the SC shippers are you all need to realize the hate you say about them is just as bad.

The fact that some shippers act like anybody not sharing their ship view is a personal attack on them doesn't mean that it is "just as bad" as sending actors personal hate.

People overreact about something like this, send hateful comments, and wonder why the cast of this show continually bail on conventions.

Jeremy did NOT bash w/w relations, or anything LGBT. He has been championing LGBT rights for a long time. He cracked a joke about a group of shippers. Do you get it? A group of effing shippers. When did shipping become a life and death issue for people, warranting hate speech and threatening messages?

Kara and Lena have NEVER been insinuated to be more than friends on the show. Yeah, Supercorp shippers have wanted more, but that's NEVER been the direction of the show. And you guys now want to be hateful towards Jeremy Jordan because he cracked a joke at a group of shippers who have built a HORRID reputation for themselves because of the way they conduct themselves online and at conventions? To the point that even the CAST knows how volatile they are?

Seriously, I used to like coming to this forum, but it's ruined for me. Jeremy didn't attack women, or LGBT people. He joked about a self absorbed and self entitled group of shippers who've done nothing but create an absolutely terrible reputation for themselves online, through spewing hateful comments to the cast, creators, and anyone else who disagrees with them.

Now let me be clear. I advocate for LGBT rights. And I have absolutely nothing against the Supercorps shippers who have been polite and treated people with respect. Honestly, if they writers did swing the story in that direction, I'd be cool with it.

But when it comes to the Supercorp shippers who have contributed to the groups reputation by overreacting to every little effin thing (and some of you are on this forum), this rant is for you, and I have no sympathy for you. I'd be just as ticked off at the Karamel shippers, or any other group of shippers, if they had built the reputation you had. The very fact that the cast feels the need to watch what they say about a non-existant fictional romantic relationship between to characters...your entire shipping fandom is out of hand.

There is absolutely no reason Jeremy should feel so guilt ridden at the end of what SHOULD have a been a fun and amazing day, because of a joke he made.

Yeah, if he had ACTUALLY said anything hateful or derogatory towards women or LGBT people, then yes, I'd be angry. But you took a joke and blew it WAY out of proportion, and made a KNOWN LGBT rights activist fees sh*tty about himself.

These are people. Doing a JOB.

I hope you all are happy with yourselves. The Supercorp reputation is so bad, at this point, that I wouldn't blame the writers if they dismissed Supercorp straight out. Why should they reward the behavior that shipping group has shown? And as many of you can take offense to this post as you like. I don't care. But I haven't called you names, I haven't threatened you. I've even gone out of my way to point out that this post is NOT directed towards the peaceful and respectful SUPERCORP shippers. But the rest of you have ruined it for everybody. And I hope you all feel just as crappy as you made cast member feel tonight.

Just shared by @fangirlishness. I started following, specifically for their SDCC coverage. So sad, because they all seemed so excited to cover It... until today. I noted they started taking heat earlier in the day (long before the "song"...

Just shared by @fangirlishness. I started following, specifically for their SDCC coverage. So sad, because they were all seemed so excited to cover It... until today. I noted they started taking heat earlier in the day (long before the "song"...

I follow them, very pro karamel. also they post a lot of stuff about other shows I watch.

How do you guys still not get that this isn't just about some dumb ship? We've moved past that. But since y'all wanna harp on it then let's. The 'song' was supposed to be a recap of s2. How is adding anything about SC considered to be part of s2? It isn't, because it's not real, it's a fanon ship. So why even say it? He said it to get back at those fans who have been complete assholes (for lack of a better word). Fine. But in doing so, he inadvertently disrespected all of those shippers who have been nothing but kind. Like I keep saying, he didn't just sing it once and continue, no. He sang it repeatedly and pretty much screamed it. I'm sure the SC shippers know that their ship was never gonna happen, let's be real here. But did those peaceful fans deserve this? Certainly not. Jeremy could've expressed his distaste for the ship/shippers in a different setting, but he didn't. He chose to go all out at one of the most public settings ever. His outburst has warranted some of the backlash he's gotten. I'm not condoning those people who have taken things too far, but I am condoning those speaking out against what was said and done.

You guys really don't see how 'it's an attack on the whole community' because YOU ARE NOT A PART OF THE COMMUNITY! You don't understand what we've been through or are going through. You don't understand because you're not us. It's like a white person trying to invalidate the issues affecting POCs; they'll never understand. So if you're not a part of the LGBT community, yeah, you're not gonna understand. If someone tells you that you hurt their feelings with something you said, what do you do?
Typically we apologize, say it wasn't our intention and move on. We don't start claiming that that person isn't actually hurt, they're overreacting and they're wrong. (If this is something you actually do then wow you're a pretty awful person). What I'm asking is that you all accept that what has happened has managed to unintentionally hurt people whether you agree or not.

Sure Katie said "for once, it's not here" but then she followed that up by immediately saying that apparently it is. She understands that fans interpret shows how they see fit. She doesn't find it necessary to invalidate anybody just because she doesn't see it personally. As far as Sanvers goes, that's a whole different story. Their storyline is obviously coming to a close. What kind of rep is that? They hardly get any decent screentime as it is and now they'll be gone. Great rep for wlw huh?

Thalolli: PERSONAL KINKS!?!?!?! Are you kidding me? That's is the most homophobic disgusting piece of trash I've ever read on this site. To call the idea of people wanting a certain f/f relationship a "personal kink" is despicable. Please keep your homophobia to yourself.

And again, THIS ISN'T ABOUT A SHIP! At this point I can repeat myself over and over again but y'all will just never get it. These actors do have a job to do, and that's to portray their character. They aren't meant to be out there publicly invalidating fake relationships. All that does is create unrest in communities and cause hurt.

Supercorp was never going to be given the light of day. Shippers know this, non-shippers know this. So what was the point of doing what they did? They did it to be mean to SC shippers and by extension mocked fellow lgbt viewers.

Why do you guys think it is that he feels shitty about himself? THINK!! If he truly felt he did no wrong then he shouldn't feel bad. But he realizes that he ACCIDENTALLY hurt fans. As a KNOWN LGBT rights activist, he understands how his actions hurt others, he gets it, but you guys don't. His second apology speaks volumes. Read that one if you haven't already. He sees the repercussions of his actions and has given a heartfelt apology. I've accepted his apology. Others have too. But that will never erase the fact that what was meant to be a joke turned into something all together hurtful.

On a whole different note, for those of you with instagram accounts, please do Jeremy a favor and report this account. This person has begun harassing him over his being a lgbt supporter.

On a whole different note, for those of you with instagram accounts, please do Jeremy a favor and report this account. This person has begun harassing him over his being a lgbt supporter.

DraftingDrafter

I'm working on reporting,but they want a URL for where the harassment is taking place. Do you have a link or URL where any of the above comments were posted?

On a whole different note, for those of you with instagram accounts, please do Jeremy a favor and report this account. This person has begun harassing him over his being a lgbt supporter.

DraftingDrafter

I'm working on reporting,but they want a URL for where the harassment is taking place. Do you have a link or URL where any of the above comments were posted?

The comments are under his latest post
https://www.instagram.com/p/BW3_Q3jFMOO/?taken-by=jeremymjordan&hl=en

Also report the account too. There's a social media blast going out for everyone to report the account so anyone who can please help us out, thanks!

Actually it has become very clear and simple. Others and I have said various things which summed together, definitively demonstrates why it is not an attack on sexuality in what should be a logically infallible way. I used to self victimise a lot too, thinking everything is an attack on a group I belong to. Sometimes obviously such worries are well warranted, but in this case frankly there is no way you can make this into homophobia.

Actually it has become very clear and simple. Others and I have said various things which summed together, definitively demonstrates why it is not an attack on sexuality in what should be a logically infallible way. I used to self victimise a lot too, thinking everything is an attack on a group I belong to. Sometimes obviously such worries are well warranted, but in this case frankly there is no way you can make this into homophobia.

This was never the case of homophobia. This was a case of invalidating a large portion of their viewer audience. This was a case of mocking and dismissing a segment of the fandom. For a show that prides itself on being LGBT positive, this was absolutely insensitive

Wait so ships have to be validated now? The writers and cast needs not worry about fan interpretations of their work. Perhaps I firmly believe J'onn should hook up with Barry and Martin Stein while we're at it. Maybe I think there is a serious romantic spark between Metallo and Lilian Luthor. Maybe I think Oliver should date his arrows. Nothing wrong with thinking any of these, but naturally I cannot demand others to align their view with me or expect a cast member to declare my notions to be true. Should the cast pay attention to me? Should they validate or encourage me? I wouldn't if I was the cast.

Jeremy stated a fact. Within the universe of Supergirl the show, Kara and Lena are just friends. What is wrong? I'm in luck the legions of fans of say Star Wars don't have the SuperCorp mentality, else when Daisy Ridley said Jyn and Rey have no relation there'd be a riot too. I think fans of other franchises at least understands to keep fan-fiction to fan-fiction. This is the first time I've seen a community so boldly aggressive they think their obviously non-canon interpretation should not only be respected by other shippers but the people involved with the show themselves.

Actually it has become very clear and simple. Others and I have said various things which summed together, definitively demonstrates why it is not an attack on sexuality in what should be a logically infallible way. I used to self victimise a lot too, thinking everything is an attack on a group I belong to. Sometimes obviously such worries are well warranted, but in this case frankly there is no way you can make this into homophobia.

This was never the case of homophobia. This was a case of invalidating a large portion of their viewer audience. This was a case of mocking and dismissing a segment of the fandom. For a show that prides itself on being LGBT positive, this was absolutely insensitive

Unfortunately, a large portion of the people who are outraged online view it as homophobia. I personally don't. Reiterating that I have no ill will towards the peaceful and respectful Supercorp shippers, I think the only reason the topic came to mind for Jeremy during the "rap" is because of that smaller-yet-extremely-vocal segment of the Supercorp shippers that have been incredibly disrespectful. The people who have sent death threats to Chris, and harassed Rahul for for the ONE episode he did. That's the subgroup that the cast most likely associates with Supercorp most. I also think that's one of the reasons Supercorp continuously keeps coming up in interviews. I'm not Jeremy, so I can't say for sure, but I imagine that's what I imagine he was thinking of it when the joke was made.

Was the joke made in bad taste? Maybe. I didn't find it offensive, but I'm neither a shipper, nor LGBT. And I understand that I will never understand what the people of that community go through. But I've seen posts from LGBT people and Supercorp shippers defending Jeremy against the seemingly disproportionate backlash. But the less respectful minority of Supercorp has definitely left an impression, seemingly negative, with the cast. It's sad, but you can tell by the looks on their faces any time it's brought up.

And now people are harassing Melissa, saying she should apologize. From the video, I don't think she really did anything wrong.

I have absolutely nothing against Supercorp as a concept. I just unfortunately think that the group (again, due to what I believe is a very vocal minority) has a stigma attached to it, now, and even the cast is aware of it. It's a shame that a ship, any ship, has gotten to that point.

In the end, I think it was joke, with no ill will behind it. He realized soon after the impact of it, and tried to apologize. I also think it has been blown WAY out of proportion.

There were several accusations made today that it WAS an attack on the LGBTQ's sexuality. I'm not going to go scrolling back through on here, because I don't want to remember who it was, but it was said he/she was made to feel "sh*tty" about their own sexuality. And on this very site, he was accused of "homophobic comments."

ALL throughout social media, ESPECIALLY under his apology posts, he was told he was a homophobe. I even posted in this thread one such comment I screen-shoted. if anyone would like to review...scroll on down.

This is the very reason we've all been responding the way we have--defending Jeremy and cast for not being homophobic and that he was not attacking the LGBTQ community. Mel and Chris are now being "counter-attacked" with they are immoral and cheaters.

I would hate to think that now, after realizing he has always been an advocate for the community, now the argument is being changed to "he attacked a shipdom!"

Apparently Jeremy Jordan posts a couple of messages on his instagram, probably related to this.