The State of the Supergirl Fandom

Now the incident is on PinkNews. Article clearly written by someone with no insight into the state of the fandom and nature of the show.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/07/24/supergirl-cast-accused-of-mocking-lgbt-fans/

The actual hell.

@Thalolli

Well said. I'm aware that it's not everyone, but Kara/Lena shippers have been sending threatening messages to cast members for months, before this fiasco ever happened. And because of that, that particular group of fans (even if not all of them are guilty of abuse) likely have a bad reputation in the cast's eyes. Why do you think interviewers continually ask about Supercorp? Because they are aware of how out of hand segments of that fan group have gotten, and it adds drama to the interview.

I'm also aware that not everyone is doing this, but construing this incident as a slight against the whole LGBTQ+ community is out of hand. Yes, it may have been aimed at the aforementioned segment of the Supercorp shippers who have said horrible things and made threats, prior to this incident. But many members of the LGBTQ+ community have come forward saying that this in no way offended them. Some of them (not me) have stated they feel people are being overly sensitive about the situation, and that the seemingly overreaction hinders what they have fought for over the years.

Now, I'm not LGBTQ, so I don't think I get a say in that particular situation. But I do get to have an opinion. And mine is that it was not offensive to me, and it was never intended to be offensive to the LGBTQ community. It's also my opinion that the reaction was blown WAY out of proportion to the actual incident.

Many people have said something akin to "if you're not gay, you don't get to have an opinion on this, and you can't see why this was hurtful". Well, I pose you this question: If it's not possible for a straight person to understand where your coming from and why you are offended, then how in the world was Jeremy Jordan supposed to know how it would hurt you? or Melissa?

Saying straight people don't know what hurts you, then getting super upset when a straight person hurts you unintentionally just doesn't make sense to me. If straight people "don't know", then how was he or Melissa supposed to?

Back to the topic of SuperCorp shippers. I'm truly sorry if you were hurt over this. And I'm NOT saying you asked for it. But I will say I think the extreme segment of the SuperCorp fanbase ruined your group's reputation long before comic con, due to the aforementioned threats against Chris and Rahul, at the very least. And when a group sends that type of pure hate, and even threats of harm, to the cast, I can't blame them for wanting to set the record straight. And I honestly think Melissa said it was "brave" of him because she knew the blowback would be insane. Kinda like saying he was just being really ballsy about it.

And as for how it was handled...when you're improvising a song as you go, you sometimes just say what comes to mind, without having a chance to really think it through. I'm not saying what happened was right, I'm just saying you can't take the time to filter what you wanna say when you are improving a song.

Steven 32 you hit the nail on the head.

Thanks

Argo

Screenshot some of the foul comments being made to David Harewood on his Twitter for simply responding to a fan who said, "Hang in there Space dad, we love you." To which he simply responded... ready for this?... "Will do." (I edited a few words)

Well, the cast, aside from Mehcad, is probably done with social media for a while. And I don't blame them. The comments they've gotten are 1000x worse than anything they actually did or said.

Poor Melissa. She finally starts to come out of her shell, on social media, after being pretty much silent for 2 seasons, and these jerks rip her apart. I honestly wish people could disable comments on twitter and instagram.

Maybe we can just stop showing tweets like that, it give them an interest that they do not have.

Well, the cast, aside from Mehcad, is probably done with social media for a while. And I don't blame them. The comments they've gotten are 1000x worse than anything they actually did or said.

Poor Melissa. She finally starts to come out of her shell, on social media, after being pretty much silent for 2 seasons, and these jerks rip her apart. I honestly wish people could disable comments on twitter and instagram.

You can disable comments on Instagram but unfortunately not for Twitter.

The purpose in showing the screenshots was to go along with our original and long discussion on this matter.

A few here said the angered LGBTQ fans' pain had nothing to do with homophobia, that no one was labeling the cast as such. Clearly, I'm seeing much different.

But, experience shows, all of this nonsense will die down; and people will either stay and watch or move along.

Bring on Season 3. I, for one, am stoked and have a renewed joy for the show and cast. Thanks for that, Comic Con.

Considering a rally call. General mobilisation to a twitter crusade. All the sensible people here, do what we can, bury the SC comments with positivity and show the cast sense prevails, and they have no need to be forced into apology by people who hijacked their sexuality to use it as a weapon in what is in fact a fandom war.

Not to go OT here, but I note in the post a button that says "Accept Answer." What will happen if one clicks it?

And for a different perspective than anyone else. I am deeply disappointed in what the cast did. And I know many others are also. But does that deserve the hate they received, absolutely not. A lot of people have reached out respectfully to the cast to let them know what the real issue is. This is not just about SC shippers. A lot of LGBT fandoms from other shows have also voiced their disappointment in what the cast did. I will not get into that here because that is not the point of my post. I just want to voice my opinion that people have a right to be hurt and to say they are is not wrong. Many have been respectful without the hate. The hate just gets more attention.

I hear you, and I respect your feelings on it....I disagree with you, but I respect how you feel. The problem however is, it has gone far beyond..."they are the ones getting the attention", that has been the reasoning for months now. That reasoning has gotten those of you who are fans of Lena nowhere. They are getting the attention because ANY, AND AT THIS POINT ANYthing that these actors post on Instagram or Twitter is then inundated with the hate, with MAYBE 2 people that believe as you do calling for calm. It went beyond that weeks ago.

What if, just a what if....Jeremy had said in his song...and then Lena and Kara became good friends, so please stop harassing us on Twitter and Instagram and let us post in peace with all the fans....do you think that would have been allowed to pass? I think not, we would have the same exact thing as we have now. Had they left just the first part of what I said....the same thing would have happened. HAD THEY SAID NOTHING at all about Lena and Kara, that would have triggered hate as well. The Sanvers crowd was upset that Maggie and Alex weren't mentioned in the song....

When you have a group of people that simply want to spew hate, anything will set that off. And we have proof after proof after proof of that.

So, though you totally....YOU TOTALLY have my respect in what you are feeling.... unless your side of this fandom doesn't speak up louder........this will continue and it will no longer be a "they hijacked our fandom" it will be "guilt by association"....In that song, they weren't disrespecting you, they were confronting (FOR THE FIRST TIME I MIGHT ADD) that faction of the fandom that has shown them nothing but disrespect, threats and harassment. Did they mean to come off in a disrespectful way to you? Of course not...but to you they did, and that's a problem, but you will never get redemption in this as a fandom because this group that you say gets the attention, once this dies down, will find something new....it will be in a look from Melissa at Katie in an interview that means absolutely nothing, it will be in a rumor made up by someone to forward their narrative, but it will happen again. That I am totally sure of. I wish soooo much that this fandom was unified in its love for Supergirl, that is where I stand and will continue to stand. But the...."That's them......" narrative just does not go very far with me anymore. I'm sorry....

Not to go OT here, but I note in the post a button that says "Accept As Answer." What will happen if one clicks it?

Not to go OT here, but I note in the post a button that says "Accept Answer." What will happen if one clicks it?

Perhaps that ends the thread.

Considering a rally call. General mobilisation to a twitter crusade. All the sensible people here, do what we can, bury the SC comments with positivity and show the cast sense prevails, and they have no need to be forced into apology by people who hijacked their sexuality to use it as a weapon in what is in fact a fandom war.

If you will look at my avatar, that is exactly what is happening. That is just a part of that campaign.

And for a different perspective than anyone else. I am deeply disappointed in what the cast did. And I know many others are also. But does that deserve the hate they received, absolutely not. A lot of people have reached out respectfully to the cast to let them know what the real issue is. This is not just about SC shippers. A lot of LGBT fandoms from other shows have also voiced their disappointment in what the cast did. I will not get into that here because that is not the point of my post. I just want to voice my opinion that people have a right to be hurt and to say they are is not wrong. Many have been respectful without the hate. The hate just gets more attention.

I hear you, and I respect your feelings on it....I disagree with you, but I respect how you feel. The problem however is, it has gone far beyond..."they are the ones getting the attention", that has been the reasoning for months now. That reasoning has gotten those of you who are fans of Lena nowhere. They are getting the attention because ANY, AND AT THIS POINT ANYthing that these actors post on Instagram or Twitter is then inundated with the hate, with MAYBE 2 people that believe as you do calling for calm. It went beyond that weeks ago.

What if, just a what if....Jeremy had said in his song...and then Lena and Kara became good friends, so please stop harassing us on Twitter and Instagram and let us post in peace with all the fans....do you think that would have been allowed to pass? I think not, we would have the same exact thing as we have now. Had they left just the first part of what I said....the same thing would have happened. HAD THEY SAID NOTHING at all about Lena and Kara, that would have triggered hate as well. The Sanvers crowd was upset that Maggie and Alex weren't mentioned in the song....

When you have a group of people that simply want to spew hate, anything will set that off. And we have proof after proof after proof of that.

So, though you totally....YOU TOTALLY have my respect in what you are feeling.... unless your side of this fandom doesn't speak up louder........this will continue and it will no longer be a "they hijacked our fandom" it will be "guilt by association"....In that song, they weren't disrespecting you, they were confronting (FOR THE FIRST TIME I MIGHT ADD) that faction of the fandom that has shown them nothing but disrespect, threats and harassment. Did they mean to come off in a disrespectful way to you? Of course not...but to you they did, and that's a problem, but you will never get redemption in this as a fandom because this group that you say gets the attention, once this dies down, will find something new....it will be in a look from Melissa at Katie in an interview that means absolutely nothing, it will be in a rumor made up by someone to forward their narrative, but it will happen again. That I am totally sure of. I wish soooo much that this fandom was unified in its love for Supergirl, that is where I stand and will continue to stand. But the...."That's them......" narrative just does not go very far with me anymore. I'm sorry....

One point I would like to make is that my favorite character on the show is Kara and it has been since season 1. I don't really appreciate the "you Lena fans" comment. Do I need to start saying "you Monel" fans? So don't act like you know why I watch the show.
And for all of you griping about people thinking that their view is the only one that is right, there is a lot of that going around on the board. And I'm not saying I'm right but ya'lls opinion is no better than mine.

Can you point me to where I said..."you Lena fans"...the reason I said those of you who are fans of Lena, is because what I have seen from you here, that is what I saw, it looked to me that you were a fan of Lena. I'm a fan of Lena as well...but more so of the entire cast, I think they have done a fantastic job putting this group of actors together...I apologize for not reading that correctly, no disrespect was meant by it. As far as opinion, I'm simply saying that we differ in opinion, and actually my post had nothing to do with the "difference in opinion" I just wanted to be totally upfront as to where I was coming from....I am totally not getting where you got that from my post. Wow...


ok.....

PS....making a note......Kara is your favorite.

Not to go OT here, but I note in the post a button that says "Accept As Answer." What will happen if one clicks it?

Hit it.....I dare ya.

I'll start tossing posts like Kobe hits three pointers (I'm not a basketball guy I have no idea if that analogy makes sense).

Kobe Bryant has retired from basketball, so the analogy can be like Russell Westbrook, who plays on the Oklahoma City Thunder (the former Seattle Supersonics!)

But as to the fandom, these people live up to the word FANATIC which Merriam Webster describes as...

marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion

But when said criticism is mentioned, they melt like the snowflakes they are!

This entire witch hunt at the cast has really gone too far now. On YouTube the amount of hurtful comments from people are so vile even people who do all those reaction videos are posting vids on about it. I don't understand how they think their words are God and saying thousands of people kids etc are hurt. Which I think is a complete fabrication. They go about saying they will no longer make / watch SG anymore and want their subscribers to do the same. Even on Jeremy's instagram people post they have been deeply hurt by him you would think he committed a terrorism act

Steven sometimes what you write on here is just ranting about ratings. BUT MAN OH MAN DID YOU HIT IT OUT OF THE PARK!

These people are coddled, babied pieces of inhumanity who do not like it when their lifestyle is threatened, even if it comes in something non-threatening like Jeremy's song...made up on the spot might I add. These people wanting him silenced...well as it took place on US soil in San Diego, is his FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND OF SPEECH. First Amendment you know. I did see postings on IG from some in the LGBTQ community, well, blasting the blasters if you will. One said they actually LIKED the song. I think it was silly, but it had a nice beat to it. It was a commentary wrapped in a song perhaps soaked in sarcasm. We all could use a little sarcasm in our lives.

@Kelly,

How do we go about that rally? Should we use that image in our tweets and posts?

Not to go OT here, but I note in the post a button that says "Accept As Answer." What will happen if one clicks it?

Hit it.....I dare ya.

Already done it (i didn't have the rigths for the action )

It took a few days to wade through all the SDCC coverage (great job by the admins, btw!) and I've mostly stayed mum on this thread since everyone else pretty much echoed my sentiments (it's actually scary how Thaloli and Kelly and I are almost always on the same wavelength on most issues) but please allow me to share my thoughts on the rightful mess post-SDCC.

As far as I see it:

1) The LGBT community wanted representation so they made up the Supercorp ship (nothing wrong with that)
2) Sometime during S2, they allowed the vilest, most disgusting elements to become the voice of their fandom
3) That toxic group started harassing/bullying cast and crew whenever their dream ship isn't being serviced
4) The cast/crew has had enough and began fighting back, culminating in Jeremy invalidating the whole SC ship
5) The shippers feel slighted and doubled down on their hate

And my reaction/opinion to that is:

I absolutely have no sympathy for them and they deserve whatever comeuppance comes their way. If you've hurled vicious threats all season long but have the audacity to play the victims after the casts' negative response to your vitriol, you deserve dirt. I'm sorry, but there's really no justifying their behavior.

That being said, it was unfortunate that some of the non-toxic fans were hurt in the process and they deserve every bit of our empathy. It's also regrettable that in this day and age, anything said/done can offend just about anyone (and that toxic group is always on the lookout to pick apart anything to feel affronted by). So while not all members of the LGBT community took offense to Jeremy's outburst, to make matters worse, the ones that did rallied their troops so that even non-fans started piling on the hate.

We all know that Jeremy was clapping back at the behavior of the toxic SC fans. The part of it being blown out of proportion was that even LGBT folks who aren't even fans of the show put on an assault, throwing around words like "homophobia" so casually without even bothering to educate themselves about Jeremy's history as an LGBT advocate. And adding their hateful rhetoric to those from the SC hooligans only further exposed how much toxicity is within the LGBT community itself (although a lot of them voiced their concerns respectfully as well).

If that's the kind of representation they wanted, then congrats to them for succeeding. Supercorp has now become a pariah in Hollywood circles and they only have themselves to blame for that. The behavior of their toxic fans run counter-intuitive to what they're trying to accomplish and the message they're trying to send. If I were a showrunner, it would definitely give me pause to introduce any LGBT storylines if there's even a remote chance of opening up my cast to such attacks. If I was a casting director, I'd really think twice about hiring talent with a history of troublesome fans, not when I have a whole pool of other actors to choose from (I really like Katie but boy does she have a lot of messed up fans). And cannibalizing one of their strongest supporters does no favors to the LGBT community at large. I genuinely feel for the respectful LGBT folks and the good SC'ers whose whole fandom has been dragged through the mud but maybe this incident empowers them to TAKE THEIR FANDOM BACK.

As of this writing, the nasties are currently harassing David (him and Melissa have blocked people anew) and even started on Rahul again. Isn't it just sad that the cast actually expects vitriol hurled their way whenever they say/do something? In their interviews, you can clearly see them visibly stiffen up and throw each other side glances whenever the Kara/Lena relationship is even broached. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the cast cancels every con on the future than deal with this BS.

The only potential silver lining in all this is that I hope the hooligans actually follow through with their threat to stop watching the show (yeah, right). To that I say good riddance. Please go ruin some other show and leave us alone. The SG fandom will be so much better without them.