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Another blog for episode 12 from Canadagraphs.

https://twitter.com/canadagraphs/status/1383116045888622594

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#Supergirl episode 6x12 filming with Azie Tesfai and David Ramsey yesterday

https://canadagraphs.weebly.com/supergirl-blogs/supergirl-episode-6x12-scenes-azie-tesfai-david-ramsey

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The blog confirms that David Ramsey is in episode 12 as Diggle as well as directing it.
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I wonder if the issue was Andrew Kreisberg.He was a co-creator and showrunner of the first two seasons of Supergirl and part of season 3 as well as co-creator and showrunner on the early seasons of The Flash(He co-created and produced Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow as well as wrote for all four shows).He was fired for allegations of sexual harassment and physical misconduct.15 women and 4 men accused him.

That's why in Supergirl season 3,the show sort of lost it's way a bit and the back half of the season aired later if you remember.They had to replace him as co-showrunner in the middle of the season.

Here's a article with Melissa about the situation back in 2018.

https://www.cbr.com/supegirl-melissa-benoist-andrew-kreisberg-firing/

Shantel VanSanten who played Patty Spivot in season 2 of The Flash just this past year gave her own accounts of her dealings with Andrew Kreisberg. which led to her Flash role being cut short.She was supposed to be in the whole season but was basically fired by Kreisberg.He was angry she booked another show even though she had arranged and worked out a way to continue on the Flash for the rest of season 2.That's why her exit was so abrupt.Here's a article where she talks about it.

https://tvline.com/2020/10/13/shantel-vansanten-the-flash-season-2-cut-short-patty/

So it wouldn't surprise me if Laura Vandervoort had a poor experience on Supergirl due to Kreisberg.


You know what, I was thinking that, too.

Man, the Kreisberg thing was a debacle. I'm genuinely glad he got fired, based on the allegations, and the number of people corroborating them. But there is sadly something to be said about how much of a creative force he was on those shows, seeing as it's about around his departure that both Supergirl and The Flash started to lose their way. I truly feel that's when Supergirl started to lose the ability to tell a cohesive, long term narrative.

That obviously doesn't mean he should have kept his job. He was rightfully let go. It's just unfortunate for the shows that he seemed to have been such a guiding force.
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Not really speculation related, but this thread seems to have become our "misc. thread" for general musings.

I thought this was interesting. Laura Vandervoort recently did Michael Rosenbaum's podcast. It was only very brief, but they touched base about Laura's role as Indigo, back in season 1. She wouldn't really get into it, but it sounds like she didn't really have a positive experience. Genuinely makes me curious, because we've generally only heard good things about guests' on set experience. The red flags usually come later when the more extreme segments of the fandom bash certain guest stars.

Anyway, I just found that interesting. I know Erica Durance was also on Rosenbaum's podcast back in December. He asked about her time, and she said that it felt very much like the old Smallville set, only with different cast and crew, and everyone was nice, and in particularly spoke of how nice Melissa was. Her only "negative" was that she felt like, as a non regular, she was intruding in their space.

Genuinely makes me curious about Laura's experience. I mean...season 1 had different crew, different showrunners. And by the nature of her role, the person she interacted most with was the guy who played Non. We never know, but I really hope that whatever caused the experience was left behind when the show changed locations and networks in season 2, and that none of the cast and crew we've come to care about was the cause of such a thing.


I wonder if the issue was Andrew Kreisberg.He was a co-creator and showrunner of the first two seasons of Supergirl and part of season 3 as well as co-creator and showrunner on the early seasons of The Flash(He co-created and produced Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow as well as wrote for all four shows).He was fired for allegations of sexual harassment and physical misconduct.15 women and 4 men accused him.

That's why in Supergirl season 3,the show sort of lost it's way a bit and the back half of the season aired later if you remember.They had to replace him as co-showrunner in the middle of the season.

Here's a article with Melissa about the situation back in 2018.

https://www.cbr.com/supegirl-melissa-benoist-andrew-kreisberg-firing/

Shantel VanSanten who played Patty Spivot in season 2 of The Flash just this past year gave her own accounts of her dealings with Andrew Kreisberg. which led to her Flash role being cut short.She was supposed to be in the whole season but was basically fired by Kreisberg.He was angry she booked another show even though she had arranged and worked out a way to continue on the Flash for the rest of season 2.That's why her exit was so abrupt.Here's a article where she talks about it.

https://tvline.com/2020/10/13/shantel-vansanten-the-flash-season-2-cut-short-patty/

So it wouldn't surprise me if Laura Vandervoort had a poor experience on Supergirl due to Kreisberg.
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Not really speculation related, but this thread seems to have become our "misc. thread" for general musings.

I thought this was interesting. Laura Vandervoort recently did Michael Rosenbaum's podcast. It was only very brief, but they touched base about Laura's role as Indigo, back in season 1. She wouldn't really get into it, but it sounds like she didn't really have a positive experience. Genuinely makes me curious, because we've generally only heard good things about guests' on set experience. The red flags usually come later when the more extreme segments of the fandom bash certain guest stars.

Anyway, I just found that interesting. I know Erica Durance was also on Rosenbaum's podcast back in December. He asked about her time, and she said that it felt very much like the old Smallville set, only with different cast and crew, and everyone was nice, and in particularly spoke of how nice Melissa was. Her only "negative" was that she felt like, as a non regular, she was intruding in their space.

Genuinely makes me curious about Laura's experience. I mean...season 1 had different crew, different showrunners. And by the nature of her role, the person she interacted most with was the guy who played Non. We never know, but I really hope that whatever caused the experience was left behind when the show changed locations and networks in season 2, and that none of the cast and crew we've come to care about was the cause of such a thing.
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If Supergirl is part of the planned “events” at the beginning of Flash season eight I don’t want the Supergirl finale to story wise in any lead into it. Kara and everyone else should have endings on Supergirl and those endings should stand on their own.

I feel that most of us would agree with you. The finale of the show should stand alone with no possible intro to any of the other arrowverse shows. The last thing that Melissa needs is that.
We haven't seen the last of this very talented lady and I look forward to her new show.

ps Does anyone know what happened to the necklace that Kara gave to Monty?

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If Supergirl is part of the planned “events” at the beginning of Flash season eight I don’t want the Supergirl finale to story wise in any lead into it. Kara and everyone else should have endings on Supergirl and those endings should stand on their own.


I didn't mean that it should Supergirl's ending should lead into her appearance on The Flash, story wise. But rather, for the viewer, it's a final hurrah after what I'm sure will be an emotional finale. We get just that little bit more of the Girl of Steel, and not too long after the her show ends. Of course any story threads from Supergirl, as a series, should end on their own show. This is all dependent on her being involved in one of those five episodes, which is not a guarantee. I just personally find it more likely, narratively, than Legends. They've lost all their connections to The Flash after various cast departures, over the years.

However...I do sincerely hope that SOMEWHERE down the line, she's willing to come back to do a proper guest spot on Superman & Lois. With the strong family dynamic on that show, I feel like it could be really fun. Have the boys learn about the OTHER good Kryptonian on Earth. Am I banking on her appearing? No. But I will still hope for it.
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Somebody mentioned having Melissa direct one of these “event” episodes. I agree that’s something that could entice her or David or Chyler to possibly stick around or go back to Vancouver when Flash starts filming season eight in September


That was me.I thought it may be enticing to direct a episode as well as appearing.I got the impression that Melissa enjoyed directing last season and since it probably wasn't possible this year due to her maternity leave,it may be more worth her while to stick around a few more weeks if she got to direct one of the event episodes and appear in another.Maybe the same for David or Chyler as well.

Tom Cavanagh came back for the 150th episode of The Flash and the season 7 finale and is going to direct the season 1 finale of Superman & Lois.The Flash wrapped filming a few weeks ago.I'm assuming he's sticking around Canada for that rather than leaving and coming back.

Canadagraph's has been saying that he's talked with people from The Flash set and they've told him that the Flash begins filming season 8 at the end of July,not September.If that's true than it may be even easier for Melissa to do the Flash event since Supergirl wraps filming in August.She wouldn't have to wait a few weeks for September.She could jump right over basically to The Flash right after Supergirl wraps,minus any COVID-19 protocol delay,which may be loosening their filming restrictions more by that point.Right now,I think all she would have to do once Supergirl finishes is wait a week for a COVID test before going to The Flash set.

I suspose we'll see.
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I’m resigned to no retrospective, Black Lightning didn’t get one and yes I’ll be pissed if Flash does. I agree having two episodes of Supergirl one night is the only way the scheduling works, having it be the last two episodes makes the most sense. If Supergirl is part of the planned “events” at the beginning of Flash season eight I don’t want the Supergirl finale to story wise in any lead into it. Kara and everyone else should have endings on Supergirl and those endings should stand on their own. Black Lightning ended with conclusions to all the characters storylines and in a way that I think it’s possible for Jefferson to appear say on Flash without undoing his ending on his show. It’s possible to do something similar for Kara and others on Supergirl. The difference is if Kara appears in one of these “event” episodes it will be very close possibly only a week after the Supergirl finale which does feel kinda weird. We’ll have to see how Supergirl ends and the big if, logistically will Melissa or any other cast member be able to do one of these Flash “event” episodes. Personally I don’t think Melissa will say she’ll never put on the cape again it will be about timing. Somebody mentioned having Melissa direct one of these “event” episodes. I agree that’s something that could entice her or David or Chyler to possibly stick around or go back to Vancouver when Flash starts filming season eight in September.
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I also think Supergirl will air its final two episodes the same night as a two hour series finale the week before the Flash & Riverdale premieres.
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Yeah... that's my thinking, episodes will air without interruption, leaving episodes 19 and 20 paired on 11/9, with no retrospect special. Stargirl should conclude its season prior to 11/9, leaving both hours?available for the SG sign-off.

It would be great if Melissa is part of the 5 episode Flash crossover, depending how they decide to end Supergirl.
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Hmmm... Flash and Riverdale have fall premieres set for November 16. I wonder if Supergirl's finale will be 11/2 or 11/9. As Stargirl gets a slight jump over Supergirl 's back 13, I also wonder if Supergirl ends with a two episode back-to-back finale?
Yah, that doesn’t add up by my calculations if they go straight through episode 20 would be on 11/16. I hope Supergirl gets a retrospective hour like Arrow did but the next season primer dates kinda dashes that.


I mean, are we surprised it's not getting a retrospective? That's not really a normal thing. I think Arrow got it because it was the start of this big interconnected universe.

If Flash gets one, when it eventually ends, I'll complain. But lets be real, Supergirl has been the red-headed step child of the Arrowverse for some time, now. It's own spinoff wont acknowledge it's existence (which is frustrating as hell).

As for the dates...IF Supergirl is included in one of the five "Event Episodes" for The Flash (which has been a topic of debate here on the forum), her finale could lead nicely into these Flash episodes.

As for Supergirl's schedule...if we got a new episode, every week, starting on August 24th, the show would conclude on November 16th. However, the 16th is already completely booked with the season premieres for both The Flash and Riverdale.

So, I'm anticipating that we will get a new episode, every week, and then get the final two episodes, airing together, on November 9th. It's the only scheduling set up that makes sense, in my head, to get the final 13 episodes out before the other "Tuesday" shows take over.

I think I might be right on this. Because Stargirl, the Tuesday show that will be paired with Supergirl, starts it's 13 episode run on August 10th. If Stargirl airs every week, it will end it's season on November 2nd.

So, August 10th: Stargirl begins it's 13 episode second season.
August 24th-November 2nd: Stargirl & Supergirl are paired together. Stargirl airs it's finale (episode 13)
November 9th: Two-Hour Series Finale of Supergirl
November 16th: The Flash and Riverdale premiere, taking the place of Stargirl & Supergirl.
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Hmmm... Flash and Riverdale have fall premieres set for November 16. I wonder if Supergirl's finale will be 11/2 or 11/9. As Stargirl gets a slight jump over Supergirl 's back 13, I also wonder if Supergirl ends with a two episode back-to-back finale?
Yah, that doesn’t add up by my calculations if they go straight through episode 20 would be on 11/16. I hope Supergirl gets a retrospective hour like Arrow did but the next season primer dates kinda dashes that.
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Hmmm... Flash and Riverdale have fall premieres set for November 16. I wonder if Supergirl's finale will be 11/2 or 11/9. As Stargirl gets a slight jump over Supergirl 's back 13, I also wonder if Supergirl ends with a two episode back-to-back finale?
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Great pics from episode 16.
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Canadagraph has a blog up for episode 16.

https://canadagraphs.weebly.com/supergirl-blogs/supergirl-episode-6x16-melissa-benoist-chyler-leigh-katie-mcgrath-jesse-rath-on-set

The title of episode 16 is,"Nightmare In National City"



A great set of photos, thanks for sharing. BTS photos demonstrate how much effort and detail goes into creating just one scene: the rehearsals (in masks), the many takes (without masks), and the acting skill involved in reacting to an imaginary object or person in a convincing manner. I like the obvious enjoyment this cast has in working together, especially photos 35, 54-56, 64, 68, and 71. Also impressive athleticism shown by Melissa in 25, 30, and 31.
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Canadagraph has a blog up for episode 16.

https://canadagraphs.weebly.com/supergirl-blogs/supergirl-episode-6x16-melissa-benoist-chyler-leigh-katie-mcgrath-jesse-rath-on-set

The title of episode 16 is,"Nightmare In National City"
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I had just read that CBR article and was checking to see if anyone posted the link to it yet on this site.

I think Kara could and should get a proper ending to her show on Supergirl proper. But, yes she could return for the Flash crossover event. I'd love it to be the Superfriends, as Barry set up Arrowverse's Hall of Justice in Central City... and Gleek is running around their someplace.

I personally hope Kara will join the Legion. That was a big part of her story in the comics. They could still do that at the end of Supergirl but have one last mission in present day Earth Prime before she goes!

Best of both!
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CBR has a great article arguing why Supergirl should/needs to be a part of The Flash Season 8 five episode opening event as a final team-up between Kara & Barry.

https://www.cbr.com/the-flash-supergirl-final-arrowverse-crossover/

I agree with many of their points.We'll see if it happens.I'm not getting my hopes up.I rather prepare for it to not happen and be surprised if it does.Sort of like with Cress Williams.I thought there was no way in hell we would see Black Lightning post series in a crossover/event and was pleasantly surprised right after the series finale aired that he revealed he has been in talks for a while to guest star on The Flash next season(I assume probably for this five episode event).
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However, based on what I've seen these past 3 seasons, in my opinion, when Melissa's contract obligations are fulfilled she will not walk away but freaking run away.
Of course her starring role in Supergirl launched her career and as an actress and singer she has honed and expanded her talent. She has grown while the show has been stagnant. I think we will see her again but not in these type of shows.


Okay, admins, please forgive me, as I'm about to make a post that doesn't really speculate about the show, but rather how the show has likely impacted an actor's life. The things I'm about to mention are public information, and are not due to prying or digging into their private life.

I mean...yeah, the show has problems narratively. That's not in doubt, but I have heard nothing about Melissa personally having problems with the production, cast members, or crew members. I think "running away" is an extreme interpretation. It's her work with THIS show that gave her not only her first directing opportunity, but an entire workshop on HOW to direct with Warner. It's no doubt that her work with THIS show that built her relationship with Warner and allowed her new production company to cement a contract with them.

It gave her a dear friendship with Kevin Smith, a filmmaker who's films she loved, growing up, and they were close enough for him to attend her wedding. She's also incredibly close to Chyler, which has been stated publicly, many times.

The cast and crew members of this show have been there for her as she dealt with and exited an abusive relationship, went through a divorce, introduced her to her new husband, adjusted her return date to filming so she could make her Broadway debut, and worked around her schedule for her maternity leave, despite an already absurdly long hiatus due to COVID.

Yeah...a large percentage of us have problems with the writing and some creative decisions. But I feel like this show has treated Melissa, as a person, with love and respect, and has given her many opportunities she wouldn't have had, otherwise. For all of these reasons, I don't think she's running away with the intensity you suggest, when the show wraps.
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Gonna rain on this fan-baiting parade of nostalgia here.

Melissa's currently not under contract to The Flash in any capacity, so the probability of her being available to do this "Hail Mary" stunt for another EP's aging show seems remote, since she's got her YA book series launch happening in October (not to mention her own production development deal with WB-TV). Supergirl wraps filming well before The Flash will even set up before their Season 8 gets underway, and Vancouver still has two-week quarantine restrictions in place due to COVID19. The Supergirl writers room has allegedly already closed down.




Okay, I can hear where you're coming from. But please hear me out.

I'm not saying it's going to happen. But this is definitely not a "hail mary".

1) NOBODY from other shows is under contract with The Flash. Not a single person. But these 5 event episodes are happening, and they are kicking off the season. That is established. All that takes, contract wise, is negotiating a one-off appearance. No matter who they get for these crossovers, that is the type of negotiation that is going to need to happen.

2) Yes, Melissa has her book launch in October, and Vancouver still has two-week quarantine restrictions. BUT, as I previously mentioned, Supergirl wraps in August and Flash is starting production on season 8 in September. Melissa, Chris, and their child already have a place in Vancouver. All it takes is staying for an extra 4-6 weeks at a place they already live. (Side note, there is the possibility that, by then, fully vaccinated people, who can show documentation, may be able to bypass quarantine restriction requirements. This is an ongoing process.)

3) There are 5 "Event Episodes". But there are only 3 Arrowverse shows, other than The Flash, still filming in BC. Legends, Batwoman, and Superman & Lois. The other crossover options are Supergirl, which is based in BC but ending, Black Lightning, which was based in Georgia and has ended, and Stargirl, which is also based in Georgia, and has it's own new season order. It is high probability that, to fill out these "Event Episodes", they will bring in characters from at least 2 out of these 3 properties. So no matter what, SOMEBODY is going to have to come to BC from the outside and quarantine. But as previously explained, it would not be as big a hurdle for Melissa, who is already here, and already has housing. No matter who comes to do the crossover from the States, they will still likely have to arrive in late August to start their quarantines.

4) Melissa's book launch isn't until October 19th. If The Flash starts filming these "Event Episodes" in September, that's plenty of time to get her back to the States for her launch. And that's with the extremely generous assumption that she needs to physically be there. Maybe she'll do physical book tours, maybe she wont. But with how private she is, and the ongoing caution regarding COVID, despite vaccine rollout, it's actually probable they may not do any sort of physical touring book launch with Melissa and her sister.

5) Melissa's production company has a contract with WB. While her work on Supergirl pre-dates that contract and does not have ties to it, agreeing to do a one-episode crossover would help continue to foster her good relations with Warner.

Again, I'm not saying Melissa will participate in these event episodes. I just wanted to illustrate why I wouldn't classify it as a "hail mary". Honestly, of all the crossover options, The Flash, as a show, has the most history with Supergirl, and narratively, makes much more sense than crossovers with Legends, Batwoman, Superman & Lois, or Stargirl. Am I being hopeful? Yes, absolutely. Largely because the COVID restrictions, this past season, have robbed us of one last crossover involving Supergirl. I can acknowledge that I am being a bit of an optimist with this.

If I'm being totally honest, I personally wish that one Event Episode would involve both Supergirl and Superman, to give them one last interaction, as well, before Melissa hangs up the cape. But I'll admit that is wishful thinking.


Pretty much nailed my hopes and thoughts.Couple of added points.

1)Cress Williams said he was approached back in the Fall.He was then approached again,two months ago.He confirmed that he's not signed on yet.These are still just talks.So nobody is signed on yet for this event,it sounds like.As he said in the interview,now that Black Lightning is finished,he's moving/moved back to California making a trip up to Vancouver easier for any guest spot vs being based in Atlanta when the show was filming.It's amazing they even got him for Crisis.

2)There are rumors that Stargirl may be moving filming to Canada and possibly taking over Supergirl's space in Vancouver for season 3.If that pans out,having Stargirl appear will become a lot easier.

3)This just wild speculation that I've posted elsewhere but it goes along with what you and muckle9999 bring up.Supergirl wraps in August while Flash starts filming in September.Melissa & Chris have a place already in Vancouver.What do you think about the idea of Melissa being offered the opportunity to direct one of these 5 episodes in addition to appearing?It may be worth her while to stay in Vancouver a few extra weeks if she's appearing and directing.Sort of like how David Ramsey directed this weeks Superman & Lois but is appearing in episode 12.Same with MAJOR! spoiler alert for The Flash
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Tom Cavanagh.He's returned to Canada to appear in the season finale of The Flash and then is going over to direct the season finale of Superman & Lois.
.I got the impression that Melissa enjoyed directing last year(and she did a great job with her episode),and since I'm sure her maternity leave prevented her directing again this year,maybe the chance to direct one of the event episodes could entice her creatively to sign on and stick around a few extra weeks.She could direct one of the five and appear in one of the other four .What do you think of my idea/speculation?Probably won't happen but it is a idea that popped into my head a few days ago.
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