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This thread may cover Episodes 4 to 8 and 10 to 22, will see how it goes.

Post any reviews, comments, articles, photos, Synopsis, anything and everything really related to Supergirl Season 4 episodes. May possibly be an idea to state the episode number at the start of your post.
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The one thing I might change in your air date predictions Kiwi is move episode 17 from March 24 to April 14 and here’s why. The NCAA men’s college basketball tournament known as March Madness is very popular in the US, so much so that networks will schedule their spring hiatus around it. Tournament play will be from Tuesday, March 19th with the final on Tuesday, April 8th. Moving episode 17 to April 14th allows the show to bypass the tournament entirely. It’s true season two did air one episode during the early part of the tournament so the schedule you predicted Kiwi is entirely feasible.


Nice teamwork Brierrose (K high 5's B :) ). I definitely think you are right on Episode 17 screening April 14 so as to avoid clashing with NCAA b'ball tournament play on March 24. Supergirl being on Mondays only ever clashed with the championship game (the only game that's played on Mondays if I'm correct).

Of course what it does mean with the break we're on now is potentially only 7 new episodes in the next 4 months. I think a 6 episode continuous streak to the end will be welcome by then.
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Interesting that their filming about two weeks longer in December than the past two seasons. I know the goal for the last two years was to wrap mid April but both years it wound up being in May. I wonder if the cast and crew decided to work an extra two weeks in December, essentially enough to film one episode, in the hope of achieving the goal of finishing mid April.

I definitely agree that we won’t have new episodes on February 3rd and 24th, previously I had taken into account the Super Bowl but you’re right about the Oscars Kiwi. The Grammy awards are February 10th so that will be a tough week but I think the network has to pick its poison because it’s not feasible to skip every major sports event and award show that airs on a Sunday. The one thing I might change in your air date predictions Kiwi is move episode 17 from March 24 to April 14 and here’s why. The NCAA men’s college basketball tournament known as March Madness is very popular in the US, so much so that networks will schedule their spring hiatus around it. Tournament play will be from Tuesday, March 19th with the final on Tuesday, April 8th. Moving episode 17 to April 14th allows the show to bypass the tournament entirely. It’s true season two did air one episode during the early part of the tournament so the schedule you predicted Kiwi is entirely feasible.
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Supergirl goes on filming hiatus from December 22nd resuming on January 7th. Not quite as long as I thought they had previously but hopefully Mel gets a good 2 weeks rest ready for lots of Kara/Supergirl/Red Daughter scenes. I imagine they must be filming Episode 13 by now and will start on Episode 14 when they return. Filming is due to conclude on April 15.

This is my best guess on the dates the rest of Season 4 episodes will be screened:

Episode 10 - January 20
Episode 11 - January 27
Episode 12 - February 10 (February 3 = Superbowl Sunday)
Episode 13 - February 17
Episode 14 - March 3 (February 24 = The Oscars)
Episode 15 - March 10
Episode 16 - March 17
Episode 17 - March 24
Episode 18 - April 21 (The Season 2 4 week break was March 27 to April 24 so possibly something similar)
Episode 19 - April 28
Episode 20 - May 5
Episode 21 - May 12
Episode 22 - May 19
References
  1. http://www.hollywoodnorth.buzz/2018/12/holiday-hiatus-arrow-the-flash-supergirl-legends-of-tomorrow-filming-hiatus-starts-december-22nd.html
  2. https://www.dgc.ca/en/british-columbia/avails-and-production-lists/production-list/
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what I'm looking forward to most is more tensions between the Danvers sisters now that Kara is out of the DEO but Alex remains. These actors sell these scenes so well and it would get back to some of what was so intriguing of S1
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As mentioned by Sully and others, looking forward to more Alex but no more focus on Alex romance or Alex a possible future mom.

TOTALLY can't wait for Red Daughter!!! And to you, Sully....agreed. I'm ok the writers using Red Daughter as a plant from the Russian government. Just don't use the story-line to push a political agenda. With them stating a lot that it's going to be a story of nature vs. nurture...I could see the RD story as Red Daughter starting out against Supergirl, but then (because she IS a part of Kara) possibly seeing the error of her ways, or at least, seeing things from Kara's perspective...ultimately. That idea would fit into their whole theme this year of learning to see other's perspective on an issue.

But, yeah....however it plays out, I'm most excited to have finally moved past them having had to compensate for Melissa's late return from Broadway, and moving full force into Mel taking from and center.

OH AAAANNNDDD....can't wait to see Lena's reactions to Lex and that whole story-line.
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I am looking forward to Kara and red daughter and how they deal with that the most; and second, Alex's storyline at the DEO but not a romantic one.

I'd like to see how Manchester Black joins in with the menagerie but, I don't want him to take centre stage any more. Kara should be centre stage from now on. We have had a lot of focus on the villains.
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I'm looking forward mostly to the Red Daughter showing up and where that story goes. I'm probably building the story up more than it actually will be in my mind and I will probably be disappointed as a result but, oh well! :D
Fighting a never-ending battle for "Stalin, socialism, and the international expansion of the Warsaw Pact" sounds a lot more threatening than "Putin, corruption, and meddling in US elections," you know?
This is my concern as well. I can easily see them using Russian Kara as a way to show Russian infiltration into the US, possibly via the new President. While this would maybe produce a bit of an eye-roll from me, I can see it being a doable story. But, where it goes from there is my concern. I'm just hoping the story has a solid base to it and isn't just used as a political capsule.

I'm also looking forward to seeing how Cryer does with Lex. I like that his character is being described as the more serious, dark and villainous version and hope that they really go somewhere with him in regards to his interactions with Kara.

Anxious to see the direction that Alex and Colonel Haley take in regards to the DEO leadership - whether they'll eventually form a more united front or if it will be continue to be a hostile environment. Hoping for the former.

Re: Alex.
I think she is supposed to get a love interest later on? But I'm going to need more than that because romance is not at the top of my list. lol
This is what I'm actually dreading the most. I feel like romance absorbed so much of Kara and Alex's story for the last two seasons and not having it in the first half of the season has been a breath of fresh air this year.
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So the crossover is finished for another year and we now have to wait nearly a year to find out if Supergirl will die but before that occurs there's the small matter of the rest of Supergirl Season 4 (Episodes 10 to 22). It was nice to get a trailer (which I didn't expect till early Jan) for Episode 10 and to see that it was Kara/Supergirl focused.

My question for folks here is:

What are you looking forward to the most on the show for the remainder of Season 4?.

I am looking forward most to:
Alex really, truly in charge of the DEO.
Lex Luthor--both in the challenge he presents to our heroes and how he interacts with Lena.
More Martian Manhunter, PI. :)

My greatest hope is that the rest of the season captures even half of the sheer fun Elseworlds and Legends of Tomorrow did this week.

1) The story of Red Daughter (not sure which way they're going to go with her and obviously there's Melissa to enjoy watching).

2) Jon Cryer's performance as Lex Luthor. Kevin Smith teased a dark take on the character and given I've only seen Jon in comedic roles I'm not sure what his drama acting is like. Being a veteran actor I'm sure Jon will be great but I'll be watching intently to see for myself.

1) WRT Red Daughter, I'm curious but dubious. Melissa can do anything they throw at her. I'm more concerned the story may not translate as well for contemporary Russia as it did in the Soviet cold war era. Fighting a never-ending battle for "Stalin, socialism, and the international expansion of the Warsaw Pact" sounds a lot more threatening than "Putin, corruption, and meddling in US elections," you know?
2) As long as all traces of Superman IV's Lenny Luthor are surgically removed from Cryer's brain, he'll do fine. ;)
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I definitely can't wait for the Red Daughter storyline. :D The glimpses we have seen of Russian Kara were exciting enough and I think it's time to kick off that story. Melissa is going to kill it.

Lex Luthor of course. Give me drama. Rosenbaum was excellent but I have faith that this new version will be good too.

And I hope they give something interesting to do to Alex. I think she is supposed to get a love interest later on? But I'm going to need more than that because romance is not at the top of my list. lol
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So the crossover is finished for another year and we now have to wait nearly a year to find out if Supergirl will die but before that occurs there's the small matter of the rest of Supergirl Season 4 (Episodes 10 to 22). It was nice to get a trailer (which I didn't expect till early Jan) for Episode 10 and to see that it was Kara/Supergirl focused.

My question for folks here is:

What are you looking forward to the most on the show for the remainder of Season 4?.

Could be characters (which I'll list below) or story-lines. I won't include Kara/Supergirl in the list of characters as I figure she's who most of us are here for and the story we're most interested in.

Characters
Alex Danvers
Ben Lockwood/Agent Liberty (Children of Liberty)
Brainy
Col. Haley and the President
James
J'onn
Lena Luthor
Lex Luthor
Manchester Black (with possibly The Elite)
Nia
Red Daughter

Personally I'm looking forward to 2 things the most:

1) The story of Red Daughter (not sure which way they're going to go with her and obviously there's Melissa to enjoy watching).

2) Jon Cryer's performance as Lex Luthor. Kevin Smith teased a dark take on the character and given I've only seen Jon in comedic roles I'm not sure what his drama acting is like. Being a veteran actor I'm sure Jon will be great but I'll be watching intently to see for myself.
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I liked the Reign/Supergirl fight and place it up there pretty high in the fight rankings but, I think it stands out more because of the brutality that was depicted and the length that it lasted than because it was so much better than the others. Additionally, the fight was made more intense because we were shown the evolution of Kara's emotions/attitude from the beginning of the fight to the end - and it was quite a range of emotions.

Totally agree with this. Spectacle is great. It is in part what someone should expect from a show featuring a character as powerful as Supergirl. But spectacle is no substitute for drama. (I'm looking at you, Zack Snyder...)

That showdown was loaded with drama throughout, for the reasons you described.
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To be honest, I hadn't really thought about a decline in fighting scenes until I read these comments. It is probably true, and attributable to several different reasons which have been mentioned here. I would tend to think that the principal reason this season is that, so far, the bad guys have been human. Any fight with Supergirl would be over very quickly. Also, I get more enjoyment watching Supergirl using her various powers to defeat the bad guys, as was shown in Kara's "fight" with the Children of Liberty in the last episode.
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I really don't think it's that black and white. Arrow has a far bigger emphasis on action, and it's always been a CW show.
Additionally, it's been a gradual decline on Supergirl. Season 2 had quite a few fights....
To me, season 3 is where the fighting really declined. We didn't get a real fight until "Reign", which, in fairness, had the fight that they will likely never be able to top. And despite writing and story problems, there were quite a few fights for Supergirl in the back half of season 3.
No, I don't think it's that black and white, either. Like I mentioned, I think that the change in quantity of fight scenes is a combination of all of those factors - budget, burden on Melissa and the change of the network and probably other things, too. My comment about the difference between the CW and other networks was more in general terms, than specific shows. Arrow probably does have more emphasis on fight scenes than most of the other CW shows and might be one that is competitive to the other networks, in that particular area. I just think that overall, when we look at shows that have been designated to be more action oriented, there is a difference that can be distinguished between the networks. And again, that could also be a result of smaller budget to work with, etc.
I also have to wonder if there is a different approach by the network to Supergirl than there is to the other superhero shows because it is a female led show. I sometimes think that there is a belief by those in charge of shows/networks, that in these instances, there will be more female viewers and therefore, there is more interest in drama and romance than action and that's why they might have pulled back a bit in that area. Personally, I think that that approach is a very outdated one and if it still occurs, than perhaps there needs to be more research by the networks to find out what female viewers in this genre expect. Plus, I would hope that there is an equal attempt to get and retain male viewers, too.
I liked the Reign/Supergirl fight and place it up there pretty high in the fight rankings but, I think it stands out more because of the brutality that was depicted and the length that it lasted than because it was so much better than the others. Additionally, the fight was made more intense because we were shown the evolution of Kara's emotions/attitude from the beginning of the fight to the end - and it was quite a range of emotions. The Supergirl/Superman fight scene was pretty intense, too, but even though it was between two Kryptonians, there wasn't any blood or physical damage that was shown so, it didn't have the same type of impact. Same for some of the earlier fights in Season 1.
There probably have been as many fight scenes scattered throughout - I haven't done a count for comparison :) . Maybe it just seems different because the quality of them isn't as well done - and by that I mean the length of time it lasts, the shots that are shown and the times it was only Kara and the emotion that was attached to it.
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I think the reason we really haven't seen any in season 4 is because of the (possibly ill-advised) decision to make humans the main antagonists. Kara can't have a real "fight" with humans unless she's depowered, or unless they are superpowered. I'm hoping that, with the Red Daughter arc in the back half of season 4, we might get a few more fights. I'd love something as good as the first Reign fight, again.


Definitely think that's the main reason for the lack of Supergirl fighting in Season 4, with the story-line being Humans hating Aliens if Supergirl came in and even accidentally hurt one of the Children of Liberty that would only add fuel to their fire (come to think of it didn't Ben Lockwood claim something like that happened on his TV show in Episode 7?). Don't think there's been a reduction in fights this season it's just been all the other characters doing it (like Manchester Black has been in a fight in every episode (4 of them?) he's been in).

Perhaps there will be more fights from Episode 10 onwards if The Elite (starting with Menagerie) is bought in for Supergirl to fight. Not sure we would see more than 1 fight with Red Daughter (if she ends up being a villainous character), I imagine Melissa fighting herself would be quite difficult work plus you can only show so much of stunt doubles.

Something I've always said though is that while watching Supergirl fight is OK what makes her special and brings me the most enjoyment is the Superheroics. That is what was most disappointing about the Majority of Season 3 is we saw so much less Superheroic activity than previously. It's why I loved the opening scene of Season 4 so much and enjoyed things like in Episode 7 where she caught the bullet to save Manchester Black's life and flew that nuclear bomb to explode in safety far away from harming/killing people. Supergirl being Super is what I don't what to lose from the show. It is cool though when she saves people in a middle of a fight like in S1 E8 while fighting Astra she stopped the concrete piece of the damaged building from falling onto the people below :) .
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The most likely reason why there are fewer n and fight scene s per season is a decreased production budget. The C W doesnot spend as much on its shows that major four networks .
B.I.N.G.O Illinoisandy you nailed it. Weather we like it or not CW just doesn’t have the same budget that CBS did.
I think that it's some of this and a little of it is from trying to take some of the burden off of Melissa. But, I also believe part of the change is a conscious effort to align more with the established culture of the CW.
I can distinctly recall an interview by Melissa, I think during the Upfronts, on the year they were moving to the CW. In the interview, she stated that the tone of the show would change because the audience for it had changed. I can remember being a tad disappointed in that comment at the time since I felt that surely a large part of the audience would be from the 8 million viewers that had watched it on CBS. I really don't know that Melissa felt that way. My guess is that that was what she was told by the producers and crew at the CW so, that's what she was repeating.
When you look at the culture of the shows, the aspects depicted and emphasized, at the CW with the shows that are on the major networks like CBS, there's quite a bit of difference. Networks such as CBS, across the board, showcase more action and fight scenes than they do drama and romance - in the shows that have the designation of an action type show. And when Supergirl was on CBS, that is the category that it would have been placed in. Now, on the CW, while it is among the other superhero shows, the focus seems to be more on the drama and romance rather than the action.


I really don't think it's that black and white. Arrow has a far bigger emphasis on action, and it's always been a CW show.

Additionally, it's been a gradual decline on Supergirl. Season 2 had quite a few fights. 2 in the "Last Children of Krypton", with Metallo. 2 in "Welcome to Earth" (one with Mon-El, the other with the fire lady). 2 in "Survivors", though they were disappointingly short. None in "Crossfire" (the humans had alien guns, but they didn't really fight). 3 encounters with Parasite in "Changing", but none were much of a real fight scene. One fairly heavy fight scene in "The Darkest Place", another with Henshaw in "Medusa". A few scattered fights in "Supergirl lives", 2 pretty great fights in "We can be heroes". A climactic end fight in "The Martian Chronicles".

"Homecoming" and "Exodus", and "Starcrossed" didn't have much for fighting for Supergirl, but "Distant Sun" had a few clashes. "Ace Reporter" was one of my favorite episodes, despite zero fights, because it was heavy on spectacle and on saves. "City of Lost Children" was a James-centric episode and Supergirl was backburnered. And the 2 final episodes of season 2 had quite a few brawls.

To me, season 3 is where the fighting really declined. We didn't get a real fight until "Reign", which, in fairness, had the fight that they will likely never be able to top. And despite writing and story problems, there were quite a few fights for Supergirl in the back half of season 3.

I think the reason we really haven't seen any in season 4 is because of the (possibly ill-advised) decision to make humans the main antagonists. Kara can't have a real "fight" with humans unless she's depowered, or unless they are superpowered. I'm hoping that, with the Red Daughter arc in the back half of season 4, we might get a few more fights. I'd love something as good as the first Reign fight, again.

While I agree that season 1 had more fight time for Supergirl, in general, it's been a gradual decline. And with the exception of the first Reign fight, none of them have been as compelling as the Pilot or her 1st and 3rd fights with Red Tornado.
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The most likely reason why there are fewer n and fight scene s per season is a decreased production budget. The C W doesnot spend as much on its shows that major four networks .
B.I.N.G.O Illinoisandy you nailed it. Weather we like it or not CW just doesn’t have the same budget that CBS did.
I think that it's some of this and a little of it is from trying to take some of the burden off of Melissa. But, I also believe part of the change is a conscious effort to align more with the established culture of the CW.
I can distinctly recall an interview by Melissa, I think during the Upfronts, on the year they were moving to the CW. In the interview, she stated that the tone of the show would change because the audience for it had changed. I can remember being a tad disappointed in that comment at the time since I felt that surely a large part of the audience would be from the 8 million viewers that had watched it on CBS. I really don't know that Melissa felt that way. My guess is that that was what she was told by the producers and crew at the CW so, that's what she was repeating.
When you look at the culture of the shows, the aspects depicted and emphasized, at the CW with the shows that are on the major networks like CBS, there's quite a bit of difference. Networks such as CBS, across the board, showcase more action and fight scenes than they do drama and romance - in the shows that have the designation of an action type show. And when Supergirl was on CBS, that is the category that it would have been placed in. Now, on the CW, while it is among the other superhero shows, the focus seems to be more on the drama and romance rather than the action.
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The most likely reason why there are fewer n and fight scene s per season is a decreased production budget. The C W doesnot spend as much on its shows that major four networks .
B.I.N.G.O Illinoisandy you nailed it. Weather we like it or not CW just doesn’t have the same budget that CBS did. Would it have been better if the show had been canceled. I not so fondly remember May 2016 when we were anxiously awaiting word on the shows future.
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The most likely reason why there are fewer n and fight scene s per season is a decreased production budget. The C W doesnot spend as much on its shows that major four networks .
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There are only 2 realistic reasons from what I can tell. One is possibly the shooting schedule. They only shot 20 episodes in season 1, but spent almost the same amount of time shooting. I think they spent more time per episode than they do Arrow or Flash. It's possible that schedule was revamped.

Another possibility is how demanding the shoots are on Melissa. She's human, and usually has to be the first person to arrive and last to leave, in terms of actors. It's possible we started getting more of these side plots with other characters to help alleviate the demand on her.

I'd love more focus on Kara/Supergirl, like we got in season 1, including more fights. But from a production standpoint, I understand that are any number of variables and adjustments to production that may have been made to alleviate the stress of the production schedule and the stress on Melissa herself.



I suspect it's neither of those reasons. The move away from fight scenes is too stark. If it was schedule or Melissa related, perhaps we'd see fewer or shorter fights, but not essentially none at all. I suspect that somewhere along the line a decision was made to reduce the violence level. Whether it was in response to complaints, a producer's decision, a network decision or an actor's decision, I have no idea. What I do know is that when the show debuted I was thrilled to have one of my favorite superheroes finally featured, and represented by a wonderful actress in a fantastic version of the costume. And Supergirl, despite often clunky writing, delivered on showing a hero battling a series of challenging adversaries week after week as Kara also dealt with the travails of a normal human in her personal life. Sadly, season 4 has almost completely eliminated the " hero battling a series of challenging adversaries" half of the show, which strips away the entire point of a program based on a super-powered star. I'm deeply disappointed by this season so far. And I fear I'm not alone.
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There are only 2 realistic reasons from what I can tell. One is possibly the shooting schedule. They only shot 20 episodes in season 1, but spent almost the same amount of time shooting. I think they spent more time per episode than they do Arrow or Flash. It's possible that schedule was revamped.

Another possibility is how demanding the shoots are on Melissa. She's human, and usually has to be the first person to arrive and last to leave, in terms of actors. It's possible we started getting more of these side plots with other characters to help alleviate the demand on her.

I'd love more focus on Kara/Supergirl, like we got in season 1, including more fights. But from a production standpoint, I understand that are any number of variables and adjustments to production that may have been made to alleviate the stress of the production schedule and the stress on Melissa herself.



I suspect it's neither of those reasons. The move away from fight scenes is too stark. If it was schedule or Melissa related, perhaps we'd see fewer or shorter fights, but not essentially none at all. I suspect that somewhere along the line a decision was made to reduce the violence level. Whether it was in response to complaints, a producer's decision, a network decision or an actor's decision, I have no idea. What I do know is that when the show debuted I was thrilled to have one of my favorite superheroes finally featured, and represented by a wonderful actress in a fantastic version of the costume. And Supergirl, despite often clunky writing, delivered on showing a hero battling a series of challenging adversaries week after week as Kara also dealt with the travails of a normal human in her personal life. Sadly, season 4 has almost completely eliminated the " hero battling a series of challenging adversaries" half of the show, which strips away the entire point of a program based on a super-powered star. I'm deeply disappointed by this season so far. And I fear I'm not alone.


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