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This thread may cover Episodes 4 to 8 and 10 to 22, will see how it goes.

Post any reviews, comments, articles, photos, Synopsis, anything and everything really related to Supergirl Season 4 episodes. May possibly be an idea to state the episode number at the start of your post.
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Thank-you everyone for your contributions to this thread, it's been good to read a variety of opinions and earns a smile and applause from Supergirl :) .

Now that we're in 2019 I'll start up a new thread. Admin you can lock this thread if you like.
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I appreciate everyone’s concerns about the Season’s backend. I personally think that the show runners are going all over the place as if they were tryouts to eat a whole chop cake in one bite. So I have problems with theirs jamming in too many storylines.

Personally, I would like to think that the Agent Liberty storyline is pretty much finished and what remain is in the background. Here is one thought I have: with Red Daughter aside, could Lex Luthor be towards the Season’s tail end, setting us up for the next one? I fail to see how they can jam in all these various characters and have a coherent storyline.

I also think that the show runners consider stand alone episodes which can be enjoyable instead of having several arcs in one Season. Mix the two instead.

Their problem is that they have too much material to draw upon.

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@Kiwi

You've kinda illustrated my big concern. They have 13 episodes left, and way too many things going on and coming up for me to feel like they'll do them all justice. I singled out the Red Daughter storyline as maybe not living up to expectations, simply because it doesn't currently seem to fit into the current ongoing stories, organically, where as The Elite and Lex probably do, to an extent.

But I hope I'm wrong, and that they do it all justice.
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I'm a bit worried the Red Daughter has become an afterthought. The cast is amazing, but these writers are only so-so, and definitely haven't proven themselves great at long-term planning. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they teased "Red Daughter", at the end of last season, because they thought it would be cool, then it got back-burnered because they wanted to do this anti-alien plot. I fear it will play out much like the Morgan Edge story, where, by the back half of the season, they didn't know what to do with him, so they unceremoniously wrote him off in a sub-par episode.

But I have no idea how they are going to organically work the Red Daughter in. I have the bad feeling that her arc will not live up to the 7+ months of expectations.


I'm confident of a decent Red Daughter story in the remaining 13 episodes of the season (hoping so anyway, I and many others here are looking forward to watching Melissa play her). I think the reason we haven't seen much of Red Daughter to date is that Melissa hasn't had the time (except for the brief scenes at the end of Episode 1 and 4 which she would've probably filmed on the same day). Definitely needed her to play Kara/Supergirl only in the 1st 8 Season 4 episodes plus the crossover. From Episode 10 or 11 onwards is when we might start seeing the Red Daughter story play out.


Sully "I do have a bit of a concern with the season becoming too crowded with characters and plots again and it becomes jumbled and fragmented in focus."

This is a fair concern to have, by my count there's the potential for the story of 22 regular or semi-regular characters in the remainder of Season 4 that are not Kara/Supergirl:

Red Daughter
Alex Danvers
J'onn J'onzz (Martian Manhunter)
James Olsen (plus his sister Kelly)
Brainy
Nia (plus her Sister and Mother)
Lena and Lex Luthor
Manchester Black (plus the Elite, possibly 4 characters (Menagerie, The Hat and maybe 2 others))
Ben Lockwood (Agent Liberty) and his wife Lydia
Col. Haley
President Baker
Eve Teschmacher
Winn

So that's quite a bit to juggle and still keep Kara/Supergirl at the center of it all.
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I honestly don't know. I'm a bit worried about that, and all the balls they have in the air. They've also got Lex coming, as well.

I'm a bit worried the Red Daughter has become an afterthought. The cast is amazing, but these writers are only so-so, and definitely haven't proven themselves great at long-term planning. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they teased "Red Daughter", at the end of last season, because they thought it would be cool, then it got back-burnered because they wanted to do this anti-alien plot. I fear it will play out much like the Morgan Edge story, where, by the back half of the season, they didn't know what to do with him, so they unceremoniously wrote him off in a sub-par episode.

It's hard to think how Agent Liberty, Manchester and The Elite, Lex, and Red Daughter will all play out, together. I can see Lena's research being the source of how The Elite get powers, and Lex being the silent leader of the Agents of Liberty. But I have no idea how they are going to organically work the Red Daughter in. I have the bad feeling that her arc will not live up to the 7+ months of expectations.
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One for the rumour mill until confirmed or the episode airs in February, another member of The Elite is coming on board from Episode 13.


It may be rumor, but it makes sense.

This is just me spinning ideas, but The Elite makes sense for a number of reasons.

(...)There are a few possibilities for The Elite, but this is the one I foresee the most. They somehow obtain powers, and the targets of their wrath remain the supporters of anti-alien hate. Then, aliens, such as Supergirl, are forced to defend the powerless human community from the super powered Elite. This causes the public to come to terms with the fact that not all aliens are bad. Like humans, there are good, bad, and shades of grey in between.

They can also be written as Anti-Heroes, who, at first, have the support of the anti-alien humans, until their methods become too extreme, and they kill their prey. The public goes from supporting them, to being horrified, and Supergirl is forced to stop them.

In both scenarios, the end result is the same, with humans being saved from their The Elite, a bunch of powered humans, by Supergirl, an alien.
Where does the Red Daughter Kara come into play? Is she brought in as a force against the Elite? Or does she side with the Elite, thereby increasing the rising fear of aliens? Or is she a completely separate plot piece?

By adding another group, the Elite, I do have a bit of a concern with the season becoming too crowded with characters and plots again and it becomes jumbled and fragmented in focus. As you said, trying to tackle the complexity of the social issues that are currently being played out today is an insurmountable task and I just hope that they keep it narrowed down to a singular issue to focus on.
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From the attached Interview with Jeremy Jordan:

Is there something you miss about doing Supergirl.

For the most part, the people. I made some like great friends on the show. And I miss the character a little bit. I spent three years with Winn. But I’m going back to do a few guest starring things. I don’t really have to say goodbye to him yet.
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One for the rumour mill until confirmed or the episode airs in February, another member of The Elite is coming on board from Episode 13.


It may be rumor, but it makes sense.

This is just me spinning ideas, but The Elite makes sense for a number of reasons.

Supergirl (the show, not the character) painted itself into a bit of a corner, during the first half of the season, because they tried to make the season an allegory for current immigration concerns. Therefore, it's hard to write a satisfying solution to that issue by season's end, because there's no solid solution in the real world.

However, in the world of Supergirl, one of the big things they've pointed out is how the humans' fear comes from the fact that aliens seem to hold so much power, and humans don't stack up. But The Elite are powered humans. How will they get their powers? Will it be from Lena's experiments? Or will they obtain meta-human abilities from some other route. I'm not sure.

There are a few possibilities for The Elite, but this is the one I foresee the most. They somehow obtain powers, and the targets of their wrath remain the supporters of anti-alien hate. Then, aliens, such as Supergirl, are forced to defend the powerless human community from the super powered Elite. This causes the public to come to terms with the fact that not all aliens are bad. Like humans, there are good, bad, and shades of grey in between.

They can also be written as Anti-Heroes, who, at first, have the support of the anti-alien humans, until their methods become too extreme, and they kill their prey. The public goes from supporting them, to being horrified, and Supergirl is forced to stop them.

In both scenarios, the end result is the same, with humans being saved from their The Elite, a bunch of powered humans, by Supergirl, an alien.

Both possibilities have great potential, and give alien hate and fear issues they've pushed, this year. Sure, pockets of fear and hate will remain, but that would remain natural for any group.
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One for the rumour mill until confirmed or the episode airs in February, another member of The Elite is coming on board from Episode 13.
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Do we know who the writers and director are for Episode 10 yet?


They are typically not known until the Episode Synopsis is released which is generally 2 to 3 weeks before the episode airs. Probably expect the E10 Synopsis to be released say January 2nd to 4th.
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The one thing I might change in your air date predictions Kiwi is move episode 17 from March 24 to April 14 and here’s why. The NCAA men’s college basketball tournament known as March Madness is very popular in the US, so much so that networks will schedule their spring hiatus around it. Tournament play will be from Tuesday, March 19th with the final on Tuesday, April 8th. Moving episode 17 to April 14th allows the show to bypass the tournament entirely. It’s true season two did air one episode during the early part of the tournament so the schedule you predicted Kiwi is entirely feasible.


Nice teamwork Brierrose (K high 5's B :) ). I definitely think you are right on Episode 17 screening April 14 so as to avoid clashing with NCAA b'ball tournament play on March 24. Supergirl being on Mondays only ever clashed with the championship game (the only game that's played on Mondays if I'm correct).

Of course what it does mean with the break we're on now is potentially only 7 new episodes in the next 4 months. I think a 6 episode continuous streak to the end will be welcome by then.


We'll see...I mean, they've never shied away from putting Supergirl up against heavy sports competition. Yeah, they'll pull it for Superbowl Sunday. But I don't know that they'll pull it for NCAA. After all, it ALWAYS shares a timeslot with Sunday Night Football. I'm not sure how much crossover there really is between folks who watch NCAA and folks who watch Supergirl. But it's all speculation, until we see the schedule.
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The one thing I might change in your air date predictions Kiwi is move episode 17 from March 24 to April 14 and here’s why. The NCAA men’s college basketball tournament known as March Madness is very popular in the US, so much so that networks will schedule their spring hiatus around it. Tournament play will be from Tuesday, March 19th with the final on Tuesday, April 8th. Moving episode 17 to April 14th allows the show to bypass the tournament entirely. It’s true season two did air one episode during the early part of the tournament so the schedule you predicted Kiwi is entirely feasible.


Nice teamwork Brierrose (K high 5's B :) ). I definitely think you are right on Episode 17 screening April 14 so as to avoid clashing with NCAA b'ball tournament play on March 24. Supergirl being on Mondays only ever clashed with the championship game (the only game that's played on Mondays if I'm correct).

Of course what it does mean with the break we're on now is potentially only 7 new episodes in the next 4 months. I think a 6 episode continuous streak to the end will be welcome by then.
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Interesting that their filming about two weeks longer in December than the past two seasons. I know the goal for the last two years was to wrap mid April but both years it wound up being in May. I wonder if the cast and crew decided to work an extra two weeks in December, essentially enough to film one episode, in the hope of achieving the goal of finishing mid April.

I definitely agree that we won’t have new episodes on February 3rd and 24th, previously I had taken into account the Super Bowl but you’re right about the Oscars Kiwi. The Grammy awards are February 10th so that will be a tough week but I think the network has to pick its poison because it’s not feasible to skip every major sports event and award show that airs on a Sunday. The one thing I might change in your air date predictions Kiwi is move episode 17 from March 24 to April 14 and here’s why. The NCAA men’s college basketball tournament known as March Madness is very popular in the US, so much so that networks will schedule their spring hiatus around it. Tournament play will be from Tuesday, March 19th with the final on Tuesday, April 8th. Moving episode 17 to April 14th allows the show to bypass the tournament entirely. It’s true season two did air one episode during the early part of the tournament so the schedule you predicted Kiwi is entirely feasible.
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Supergirl goes on filming hiatus from December 22nd resuming on January 7th. Not quite as long as I thought they had previously but hopefully Mel gets a good 2 weeks rest ready for lots of Kara/Supergirl/Red Daughter scenes. I imagine they must be filming Episode 13 by now and will start on Episode 14 when they return. Filming is due to conclude on April 15.

This is my best guess on the dates the rest of Season 4 episodes will be screened:

Episode 10 - January 20
Episode 11 - January 27
Episode 12 - February 10 (February 3 = Superbowl Sunday)
Episode 13 - February 17
Episode 14 - March 3 (February 24 = The Oscars)
Episode 15 - March 10
Episode 16 - March 17
Episode 17 - March 24
Episode 18 - April 21 (The Season 2 4 week break was March 27 to April 24 so possibly something similar)
Episode 19 - April 28
Episode 20 - May 5
Episode 21 - May 12
Episode 22 - May 19
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  2. https://www.dgc.ca/en/british-columbia/avails-and-production-lists/production-list/
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what I'm looking forward to most is more tensions between the Danvers sisters now that Kara is out of the DEO but Alex remains. These actors sell these scenes so well and it would get back to some of what was so intriguing of S1
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As mentioned by Sully and others, looking forward to more Alex but no more focus on Alex romance or Alex a possible future mom.

TOTALLY can't wait for Red Daughter!!! And to you, Sully....agreed. I'm ok the writers using Red Daughter as a plant from the Russian government. Just don't use the story-line to push a political agenda. With them stating a lot that it's going to be a story of nature vs. nurture...I could see the RD story as Red Daughter starting out against Supergirl, but then (because she IS a part of Kara) possibly seeing the error of her ways, or at least, seeing things from Kara's perspective...ultimately. That idea would fit into their whole theme this year of learning to see other's perspective on an issue.

But, yeah....however it plays out, I'm most excited to have finally moved past them having had to compensate for Melissa's late return from Broadway, and moving full force into Mel taking from and center.

OH AAAANNNDDD....can't wait to see Lena's reactions to Lex and that whole story-line.
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I am looking forward to Kara and red daughter and how they deal with that the most; and second, Alex's storyline at the DEO but not a romantic one.

I'd like to see how Manchester Black joins in with the menagerie but, I don't want him to take centre stage any more. Kara should be centre stage from now on. We have had a lot of focus on the villains.
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I'm looking forward mostly to the Red Daughter showing up and where that story goes. I'm probably building the story up more than it actually will be in my mind and I will probably be disappointed as a result but, oh well! :D
Fighting a never-ending battle for "Stalin, socialism, and the international expansion of the Warsaw Pact" sounds a lot more threatening than "Putin, corruption, and meddling in US elections," you know?
This is my concern as well. I can easily see them using Russian Kara as a way to show Russian infiltration into the US, possibly via the new President. While this would maybe produce a bit of an eye-roll from me, I can see it being a doable story. But, where it goes from there is my concern. I'm just hoping the story has a solid base to it and isn't just used as a political capsule.

I'm also looking forward to seeing how Cryer does with Lex. I like that his character is being described as the more serious, dark and villainous version and hope that they really go somewhere with him in regards to his interactions with Kara.

Anxious to see the direction that Alex and Colonel Haley take in regards to the DEO leadership - whether they'll eventually form a more united front or if it will be continue to be a hostile environment. Hoping for the former.

Re: Alex.
I think she is supposed to get a love interest later on? But I'm going to need more than that because romance is not at the top of my list. lol
This is what I'm actually dreading the most. I feel like romance absorbed so much of Kara and Alex's story for the last two seasons and not having it in the first half of the season has been a breath of fresh air this year.
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So the crossover is finished for another year and we now have to wait nearly a year to find out if Supergirl will die but before that occurs there's the small matter of the rest of Supergirl Season 4 (Episodes 10 to 22). It was nice to get a trailer (which I didn't expect till early Jan) for Episode 10 and to see that it was Kara/Supergirl focused.

My question for folks here is:

What are you looking forward to the most on the show for the remainder of Season 4?.

I am looking forward most to:
Alex really, truly in charge of the DEO.
Lex Luthor--both in the challenge he presents to our heroes and how he interacts with Lena.
More Martian Manhunter, PI. :)

My greatest hope is that the rest of the season captures even half of the sheer fun Elseworlds and Legends of Tomorrow did this week.

1) The story of Red Daughter (not sure which way they're going to go with her and obviously there's Melissa to enjoy watching).

2) Jon Cryer's performance as Lex Luthor. Kevin Smith teased a dark take on the character and given I've only seen Jon in comedic roles I'm not sure what his drama acting is like. Being a veteran actor I'm sure Jon will be great but I'll be watching intently to see for myself.

1) WRT Red Daughter, I'm curious but dubious. Melissa can do anything they throw at her. I'm more concerned the story may not translate as well for contemporary Russia as it did in the Soviet cold war era. Fighting a never-ending battle for "Stalin, socialism, and the international expansion of the Warsaw Pact" sounds a lot more threatening than "Putin, corruption, and meddling in US elections," you know?
2) As long as all traces of Superman IV's Lenny Luthor are surgically removed from Cryer's brain, he'll do fine. ;)
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