Allow me to say first that Sexual Harassment in any kind is, as my tired mind can't think of any word to describe, is bad.
News just broke about WB suspending AK for allegations of sexual harassment over the years while executive producing several projects.
The wave of sexual harassment accusations in the entertainment industry has been ballooning as of late, ruining careers and the public judging the accused generally as guilty without being proven in court. It's quite possible the problem of sexual harassment or assault is widespread in Hollywood, and the accused stand as accused for now. Some have admitted wrongdoing, that's a different thing, but we'll have to wait and see what will come out of this. I'm sure there will be more revelations of other stars or producers of sexual misconduct. I think it was Johnny Depp who said that Hollywood is a "cesspool of that kind of behaviour" (not a direct quote).
Back to AK, love him or hate him, he's been the driving force behind the Berlanti DC franchises, including our common favorite, Supergirl. His knowledge of the DC comics properties seem to be his strongest suit. Personally I'm concerned that the shows will not be going towards the vision and roadmap he may have planned going forward. The news is unsettling.
How do you think this will impact the future of the shows? Will the suspension of Andrew K result of the shows going off the rails in story telling direction, or would just Berlanti replace him with another Executive Producer as competent or probably someone who could be much better?
Thoughts?
I figure they will put Sarah in his place, and shooting will go on without a hitch. Glad they immediately suspended him, that way the work can go on without distractions....moving on.
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This is very, very bad for the CW DC shows, especially Supergirl. It's almost as bad as Melissa leaving the show and WBTV contemplating replacing her with another actress.
A horrible public relations nightmare for all involved in all four shows. Plus,with AK gone,who knows what wiil happen to the overall quality of all four shows?
A horrible public relations nightmare for all involved in all four shows. Plus,with AK gone,who knows what wiil happen to the overall quality of all four shows?
I do not know how they work within Berlanti, but I believe that he's involved in all four shows and is most involved on the Flash and Supergirl. I think Marc Guggenheim looks after Arrow and Legends, along with other EP's. There are two co-showrunners for Supergirl - Jessica Queller and Robert Rovni who work with AK. He also works with co-showrunner for the Flash. However I think AK could be the guide and/or coordinator for all four shows as they all progress each season, making sure they all follow a certain road map.
I'm sure Greg Berlanti has many competent people under him who could temporarily take over AK's position while the internal investigation goes on. I hope if ever they lose AK, the replacement can steer the ship that is the Arrowverse to a better course. I would think that they've already mapped out at least about 2/3rd of the season before this wave of unfortunate news hit.
I'm sure Greg Berlanti has many competent people under him who could temporarily take over AK's position while the internal investigation goes on. I hope if ever they lose AK, the replacement can steer the ship that is the Arrowverse to a better course. I would think that they've already mapped out at least about 2/3rd of the season before this wave of unfortunate news hit.
Plus,with AK gone,who knows what wiil happen to the overall quality of all four shows?
Unfortunately, we have to trust that Berlanti and his production team can fill the void. Yes, Kreisberg has had a large hand in the show, but he's one of SEVERAL Executive Producers.
Supergirl, The Flash, and Berlanti Productions are far more than Andrew Kreisberg. If these allegations turn out to be true, then yes, it totally sucks, and his he should pay for those actions, accordingly, whether it be fines, termination, jail time...whatever punishment fits his actions. But I will stick by these shows because lots of other amazing and good people work on them, and deserve our support.
Every film and tv show has hundreds of people who bring them to life, and to let one person sour our support for the rest of them just ends up punishing innocent people.
As for quality...I have to believe that 2/3 of the season has been fairly well mapped, and the whole season's arc probably outlined. In terms of writing, there are many other amazing people involved who can take the plan that Berlanti and co. have mapped out and bring it to fruition.
Supergirl, The Flash, and Berlanti Productions are far more than Andrew Kreisberg. If these allegations turn out to be true, then yes, it totally sucks, and his he should pay for those actions, accordingly, whether it be fines, termination, jail time...whatever punishment fits his actions. But I will stick by these shows because lots of other amazing and good people work on them, and deserve our support.
Every film and tv show has hundreds of people who bring them to life, and to let one person sour our support for the rest of them just ends up punishing innocent people.
As for quality...I have to believe that 2/3 of the season has been fairly well mapped, and the whole season's arc probably outlined. In terms of writing, there are many other amazing people involved who can take the plan that Berlanti and co. have mapped out and bring it to fruition.
This does not surprise me and is showing in the broader picture of things that the entertainment industry's bubble has now burst. To me it all started on the political realm of things with ABC canceling Last Man Standing despite good ratings. This is now the devolving of things in an industry that I think for many generations has been full of these assaults (The so-called Casting Couch).
Kelly I too am glad Warners' has suspended Kreisberg in the face of these allegations,which is what they are allegations. And perhaps Sarah Scheceter will take over. That's sort of the dynamic of the DC/CW universe, someone coming in to take over things. And yes some of the episodes of all the shows are already written and "in the can."
And kdogg, your speech can be summed up in an axiom or a #1 hit song by The Osmond Brothers from 1971 "One Bad Apple" don't spoil the whole bunch.
Should one be alarmed and go Chicken Little here and worry about backlash and cancellation? Not even close unless you read what is up on Instagram. Worried? Nope. Concerned? Depends on what one thinks of this. Curious? Yes.
But, if this further gets out to the entertainment media (Extra, ET, Access Hollywood) then maybe it's time for the alarm bells to go off. The story broke in Variety, a source used by those shows and the media in general.
In the end though one has to ask...is anything safe anymore?
Kelly I too am glad Warners' has suspended Kreisberg in the face of these allegations,which is what they are allegations. And perhaps Sarah Scheceter will take over. That's sort of the dynamic of the DC/CW universe, someone coming in to take over things. And yes some of the episodes of all the shows are already written and "in the can."
And kdogg, your speech can be summed up in an axiom or a #1 hit song by The Osmond Brothers from 1971 "One Bad Apple" don't spoil the whole bunch.
Should one be alarmed and go Chicken Little here and worry about backlash and cancellation? Not even close unless you read what is up on Instagram. Worried? Nope. Concerned? Depends on what one thinks of this. Curious? Yes.
But, if this further gets out to the entertainment media (Extra, ET, Access Hollywood) then maybe it's time for the alarm bells to go off. The story broke in Variety, a source used by those shows and the media in general.
In the end though one has to ask...is anything safe anymore?
This is truly sad. For all concerned, I hope there is relief and closure and that if AK is found culpable, corrective measures are taken quickly. It appears that the industry as a whole has to seriously clean house and rebuild the power structure on a cleaner, more solid foundation. I have a feeling things will get a lot worse before they get better.
This is very disturbing and sadly, also too common in the entertainment industry. Power begets abuse. Things must change and they must change very quickly. I hope that WB, Greg Berlanti and Sarah Schechter, once fully aware of all of the relevant facts, take decisive and immediate constructive action to address and fix the problem. If they had it in them, they'd call all staff (everyone from the actors to the office clerks) across all show they produce to apologize to and reassure them that all relevant actions are being taken and that no repercussions will be forthcoming if people speak out.
Let's see how things transpire.
This is very disturbing and sadly, also too common in the entertainment industry. Power begets abuse. Things must change and they must change very quickly. I hope that WB, Greg Berlanti and Sarah Schechter, once fully aware of all of the relevant facts, take decisive and immediate constructive action to address and fix the problem. If they had it in them, they'd call all staff (everyone from the actors to the office clerks) across all show they produce to apologize to and reassure them that all relevant actions are being taken and that no repercussions will be forthcoming if people speak out.
Let's see how things transpire.
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This does not surprise me and is showing in the broader picture of things that the entertainment industry's bubble has now burst. To me it all started on the political realm of things with ABC canceling Last Man Standing despite good ratings. This is now the devolving of things in an industry that I think for many generations has been full of these assaults (The so-called Casting Couch)
Did you seriously just type that?
good grief....this has absolutely nothing to do with canceling a damn show. Give me a break.
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Seems to me that this may be part of a political smear campaign designed to silence certain vocal industry folk just before the Alabama elections. However, as far as the CW superhero shows are concerned, Berlanti Productions staffs them all with multiple showrunners, so there shouldn't be any hiccups in the production process. Those remaining will likely have to double up on duties in order to fill the void caused by Kreisberg's absence while he fights these allegations. Since Sarah Schechter oversees all aspects of Berlanti Prod. as president of the company (which last I checked, have a record 13 TV shows in various stages of production), she's probably already got enough on her plate.
This is disheartening if true. Kreisberg is only one of the people who are behind the success of the show and like others before have already stated, I'm certain that there are individuals who will be very capable of continuing to steer the show towards success.
Not to get into the issue itself too much but, hopefully everyone understands that sexual harassment is not just an entertainment or political problem. Its occurrence has been thoroughly bred into our culture: the entertainment and political world just happen to have large enough platforms to highlight the problem.
Not to get into the issue itself too much but, hopefully everyone understands that sexual harassment is not just an entertainment or political problem. Its occurrence has been thoroughly bred into our culture: the entertainment and political world just happen to have large enough platforms to highlight the problem.
If don't you think that if AK was really engaged in this kind of abuse that high ranking producres like Berlanti and Sarah S would know about? Didn't the Variety article say that some complained to Berlanti's production company about AK and nothing was done?
That the alleged victims won't revel themselves to the public out of fear of Warner Bros punishing them?
This scandal could lead SJWs calling for a boycott of all the shows and could cause the ratings to go down even more
That the alleged victims won't revel themselves to the public out of fear of Warner Bros punishing them?
This scandal could lead SJWs calling for a boycott of all the shows and could cause the ratings to go down even more
Not to get into the issue itself too much but, hopefully everyone understands that sexual harassment is not just an entertainment or political problem. Its occurrence has been thoroughly bred into our culture: the entertainment and political world just happen to have large enough platforms to highlight the problem.
THIS THIS THIS.
Sexual harassment is everywhere and has been brushed under the rug for was too long.
What a terrible development for DC shows on the CW.. . My feeling about it is that "where there's smoke, there's usually fire". Variety says that 15 women and 4 men are basically telling the same stories about Kreisberg. I'd be be interested to find out they know each other. (Variety's article doesn't say.) When you have 19 people who don't even know each other all telling similar stories about the same guy.....
Well guess what folks, Breitbart has written about this, citing the Variety article.
And there is more trouble possible at DC Comics. From the last paragraph of the article...
And there is more trouble possible at DC Comics. From the last paragraph of the article...
On Friday, the editor of DC Comics Eddie Berganza was also suspended over allegations of sexual assault, while dozens of major figures across the industry have been accused of sexual impropriety..
What a terrible development for DC shows on the CW.. . My feeling about it is that "where there's smoke, there's usually fire". Variety says that 15 women and 4 men are basically telling the same stories about Kreisberg. I'd be be interested to find out they know each other. (Variety's article doesn't say.) When you have 19 people who don't even know each other all telling similar stories about the same guy.....
Yeah, I'm over the whole benefit of the doubt thing. When I was first made aware of the article, I breezed through it in shock, and wanted to curb my instincts to judge without a trial, but 19 accounts. Hmm.
After reading the Variety article thoroughly, his tone deaf responses are truly horrible. I feel terrible for all those who worked under such a degrading environment and if he is found guilty, I'm sure justice will be served.
It's really courageous for the victims to come forward. The Hollywood environment needs to be cleaned up, and hopefully, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
Reading Ellen Page's FB account. It's heartbreaking.
There has always been such a huge imbalance in the percentage of M/F Producers, EP's and Especially Directors. I have wished for years that Women who wanted to direct were given the equal opportunity to direct. This has always annoyed me as having a creative vision isn't a gender talent. Surely Patty Jenkins has proved that without a doubt.
Not to sound overly feministic, but more women in executive and directorial positions would be an improvement. At least one would think, I'm not saying the reverse does not happen.
But with regards to the show. The EP don't necessarily have to be directly involved in the show. The show runners are the true vision for the show, but in this case, AK served as both. Seems to me that Rovner and Queller are doing a good job so far, so leave them be.
In my opinion, the very best thing that Berlanti could do, as far as Supergirl is concerned is bring back Ali Adler, that I think would calm much of this down for Supergirl. She seemed far more hands on with the production and I think could bring some stability. Not necessarily to take over from Queller and Rovner, but be an overall driving force.
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Rovner and Queller both credit AK for the crazy creative ideas that we've seen in Supergirl so far (i.e., the broken in half C-130 cargo plane from last week's episode), with AK "disabled" I hope they get help from who are just as creative as AK, or they are really that good only that AK gets most of the credit. The good thing is, we have dual EP's/showrunners left on Supergirl - The Flash has Helbing left.
If AK gets terminated after the internal investigation concludes, I hope whoever replaces him would be better. I believe there's always someone better, only that we've been so used to have AK guiding Supergirl and all the other shows. This could mean a new direction for Supergirl, one can only hope that it's for the better.
And also more important, here's hoping no one other than AK will have any harassment allegations (bogus or not) within Berlanti after this.
If AK gets terminated after the internal investigation concludes, I hope whoever replaces him would be better. I believe there's always someone better, only that we've been so used to have AK guiding Supergirl and all the other shows. This could mean a new direction for Supergirl, one can only hope that it's for the better.
And also more important, here's hoping no one other than AK will have any harassment allegations (bogus or not) within Berlanti after this.
But with regards to the show. The EP don't necessarily have to be directly involved in the show. The show runners are the true vision for the show, but in this case, AK served as both. Seems to me that Rovner and Queller are doing a good job so far, so leave them be.
This certainly sounds bad. Although there is always the presumption of innocence, private companies do not require the same burden of proof as the judicial system. There is an awful lot of smoke in the air, and apparently has been for a long time. The fall of a public figure is never a pretty thing to watch, but one's first concern has got to be for the victims, then for others affected by the fallout (associates, family, friends). It is profoundly sad and totally disgusting at the same time.
As far as the effect on the show, I'd say it will be negligible. No one is indispensable, and I feel there are plenty of talented people ready to take the reins. If my experience in business is any guide, they are probably already largely responsible for the show's success. I think Supergirl will be fine.
As far as the effect on the show, I'd say it will be negligible. No one is indispensable, and I feel there are plenty of talented people ready to take the reins. If my experience in business is any guide, they are probably already largely responsible for the show's success. I think Supergirl will be fine.
Growing up in the Entertainment Industry, this unfortunately does not surprise me. I am, however, disgusted at the extent of the sexual harassment or aggression. I think this is only the tip of the iceberg and it will hit across a number of industries and politics.
The position of EP is an overarching one and it may have some brief impact. Remember though, Greg Berlanti runs the show with his partners and you can be certain that they will have a strong DC knowledge base available to them. I also believe they will find a suitable replacement who can provide valuable suggestions.
Otherwise. We are going to continue hearing more slime coming out of Hollywood and other industries.
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The position of EP is an overarching one and it may have some brief impact. Remember though, Greg Berlanti runs the show with his partners and you can be certain that they will have a strong DC knowledge base available to them. I also believe they will find a suitable replacement who can provide valuable suggestions.
Otherwise. We are going to continue hearing more slime coming out of Hollywood and other industries.
Argo
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