Allow me to say first that Sexual Harassment in any kind is, as my tired mind can't think of any word to describe, is bad.
News just broke about WB suspending AK for allegations of sexual harassment over the years while executive producing several projects.
The wave of sexual harassment accusations in the entertainment industry has been ballooning as of late, ruining careers and the public judging the accused generally as guilty without being proven in court. It's quite possible the problem of sexual harassment or assault is widespread in Hollywood, and the accused stand as accused for now. Some have admitted wrongdoing, that's a different thing, but we'll have to wait and see what will come out of this. I'm sure there will be more revelations of other stars or producers of sexual misconduct. I think it was Johnny Depp who said that Hollywood is a "cesspool of that kind of behaviour" (not a direct quote).
Back to AK, love him or hate him, he's been the driving force behind the Berlanti DC franchises, including our common favorite, Supergirl. His knowledge of the DC comics properties seem to be his strongest suit. Personally I'm concerned that the shows will not be going towards the vision and roadmap he may have planned going forward. The news is unsettling.
How do you think this will impact the future of the shows? Will the suspension of Andrew K result of the shows going off the rails in story telling direction, or would just Berlanti replace him with another Executive Producer as competent or probably someone who could be much better?
Thoughts?
This does not surprise me and is showing in the broader picture of things that the entertainment industry's bubble has now burst. To me it all started on the political realm of things with ABC canceling Last Man Standing despite good ratings. This is now the devolving of things in an industry that I think for many generations has been full of these assaults (The so-called Casting Couch)
Did you seriously just type that?
good grief....this has absolutely nothing to do with canceling a damn show. Give me a break.
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Sexual Harassment is disgusting in all forms and should be dealt with zero tolerance. I am saddened to see people who work on something I enjoy have had to endure this behavior. Thankfully due to some very courageous voices it has come to light and is being dealt with. Regardless of how tempting it may be to pass around some blame; 100% of the blame goes to the creep doing this ****.
We need to all stand in solidarity with the victims so that they know they are heard, understood and supported. For those that would try and bring ship wars, character/story complaints into it; I ask you to politely STOP! Please do not hijack the stories of the brave men and women who have come forward under difficult circumstances.
We need to all stand in solidarity with the victims so that they know they are heard, understood and supported. For those that would try and bring ship wars, character/story complaints into it; I ask you to politely STOP! Please do not hijack the stories of the brave men and women who have come forward under difficult circumstances.
The writer of the original article has been online, and divulged that the complaints all came from low-level former hires, which means they had no job security to begin with. It's starting to look more and more like an opportunistic smear campaign designed to shake up things at WB-TV and Berlanti Productions, just as they're ramping up promotions for the big CW crossover event. Naturally, it's likely going to take awhile before any full details come to light on the matter.
So, because they weren't major actors/actresses or high up on the food chain, their accounts are automatically dismissed as part of a smear campaign? Victims being in some type of position of inferiority or dependence is exactly what sexual harassers count on. It's also exactly why the victim's stories go untold for years.
I don't know all the details with Kreisberg but, if there are multiple witnesses to any inappropriate behavior, that should be a huge red flag to the CW, WB, Berlanti and everyone else.
Sexual Harassment is disgusting in all forms and should be dealt with zero tolerance. I am saddened to see people who work on something I enjoy have had to endure this behavior. Thankfully due to some very courageous voices it has come to light and is being dealt with. Regardless of how tempting it may be to pass around some blame; 100% of the blame goes to the creep doing this ****.
We need to all stand in solidarity with the victims so that they know they are heard, understood and supported. For those that would try and bring ships wars, character/story complaints into; I ask you to politely STOP! Please do not hijack the stories of the brave men and women who have come forward under difficult circumstances.
Wonderfully said! This is a despicable situation at hand and should not be reduced to petty ship wars and such. Doing so does a diservice to the brave voices speaking out against this man.
"Well, Supergirl may have saved me, but Kara Danvers, you are my hero."
Sexual Harassment is disgusting in all forms and should be dealt with zero tolerance. I am saddened to see people who work on something I enjoy have had to endure this behavior. Thankfully due to some very courageous voices it has come to light and is being dealt with. Regardless of how tempting it may be to pass around some blame; 100% of the blame goes to the creep doing this ****.
We need to all stand in solidarity with the victims so that they know they are heard, understood and supported. For those that would try and bring ships wars, character/story complaints into; I ask you to politely STOP! Please do not hijack the stories of the brave men and women who have come forward under difficult circumstances.
Wonderfully said! This is a despicable situation at hand and should not be reduced to petty ship wars and such. Doing so does a diservice to the brave voices speaking out against this man.
I want to make it clear, this is not directed at nor meant to be a call out of anyone here. I see some bringing to light some awful behavior with in the fandom, and its important that we we are aware of this **** so we can stop it. Everyone finally has a reason to unify under 1 voice, enough
Guggenheim responded to the allegations...poorly.
https://twitter.com/mguggenheim/status/929815593624014849
"Sorry, but NO. Reverse sexism isn't the answer. Painting all men with the Weinstein brush isn't the answer." in response to a tweet by Conan O Brien about wanting the 'all female reboot of america'.
https://twitter.com/mguggenheim/status/929815593624014849
"Sorry, but NO. Reverse sexism isn't the answer. Painting all men with the Weinstein brush isn't the answer." in response to a tweet by Conan O Brien about wanting the 'all female reboot of america'.
What a terrible development for DC shows on the CW.. . My feeling about it is that "where there's smoke, there's usually fire". Variety says that 15 women and 4 men are basically telling the same stories about Kreisberg. I'd be be interested to find out they know each other. (Variety's article doesn't say.) When you have 19 people who don't even know each other all telling similar stories about the same guy.....
From what I've read, the nail in the coffin for AK is that these stories are meshing, they are not countering each other, they are actually putting the puzzle together. Also, apparently the 4 men involved are backing up the stories of the 15 women, as to what has been seen. I say, keep cleaning house, it is tough, it is messy, but it needs to be done. What is ridiculously stupid are those theorizing that the demise of #Sanvers and #Supercorp not coming to pass has anything to do with this....AND, there are those that are slamming Chris Wood because he didn't say or do anything about it. These people are delusional.
I also saw a bunch of Karamels laughing about how now they know how Katie became a regular because she slept her way to the top with Kreisberg. These people are sick and this issue is so much bigger than the show. It should be about the survivors and their bravery and strength.
Oh look, the topic returns to be about these two ships again. From what I’ve seen so far I would gladly see Karamel and Supercorp both gone for good. Who devotes their time to obsessing over a particular pairing in a show? And then going to such lengths and making all this fuss and conflict over it?
I figure they will put Sarah in his place, and shooting will go on without a hitch. Glad they immediately suspended him, that way the work can go on without distractions....moving on.
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I do not know how they work within Berlanti, but I believe that he's involved in all four shows and is most involved on the Flash and Supergirl. I think Marc Guggenheim looks after Arrow and Legends, along with other EP's. There are two co-showrunners for Supergirl - Jessica Queller and Robert Rovni who work with AK. He also works with co-showrunner for the Flash. However I think AK could be the guide and/or coordinator for all four shows as they all progress each season, making sure they all follow a certain road map.
I'm sure Greg Berlanti has many competent people under him who could temporarily take over AK's position while the internal investigation goes on. I hope if ever they lose AK, the replacement can steer the ship that is the Arrowverse to a better course. I would think that they've already mapped out at least about 2/3rd of the season before this wave of unfortunate news hit.
I'm sure Greg Berlanti has many competent people under him who could temporarily take over AK's position while the internal investigation goes on. I hope if ever they lose AK, the replacement can steer the ship that is the Arrowverse to a better course. I would think that they've already mapped out at least about 2/3rd of the season before this wave of unfortunate news hit.
Plus,with AK gone,who knows what wiil happen to the overall quality of all four shows?
Unfortunately, we have to trust that Berlanti and his production team can fill the void. Yes, Kreisberg has had a large hand in the show, but he's one of SEVERAL Executive Producers.
Supergirl, The Flash, and Berlanti Productions are far more than Andrew Kreisberg. If these allegations turn out to be true, then yes, it totally sucks, and his he should pay for those actions, accordingly, whether it be fines, termination, jail time...whatever punishment fits his actions. But I will stick by these shows because lots of other amazing and good people work on them, and deserve our support.
Every film and tv show has hundreds of people who bring them to life, and to let one person sour our support for the rest of them just ends up punishing innocent people.
As for quality...I have to believe that 2/3 of the season has been fairly well mapped, and the whole season's arc probably outlined. In terms of writing, there are many other amazing people involved who can take the plan that Berlanti and co. have mapped out and bring it to fruition.
Supergirl, The Flash, and Berlanti Productions are far more than Andrew Kreisberg. If these allegations turn out to be true, then yes, it totally sucks, and his he should pay for those actions, accordingly, whether it be fines, termination, jail time...whatever punishment fits his actions. But I will stick by these shows because lots of other amazing and good people work on them, and deserve our support.
Every film and tv show has hundreds of people who bring them to life, and to let one person sour our support for the rest of them just ends up punishing innocent people.
As for quality...I have to believe that 2/3 of the season has been fairly well mapped, and the whole season's arc probably outlined. In terms of writing, there are many other amazing people involved who can take the plan that Berlanti and co. have mapped out and bring it to fruition.
This does not surprise me and is showing in the broader picture of things that the entertainment industry's bubble has now burst. To me it all started on the political realm of things with ABC canceling Last Man Standing despite good ratings. This is now the devolving of things in an industry that I think for many generations has been full of these assaults (The so-called Casting Couch).
Kelly I too am glad Warners' has suspended Kreisberg in the face of these allegations,which is what they are allegations. And perhaps Sarah Scheceter will take over. That's sort of the dynamic of the DC/CW universe, someone coming in to take over things. And yes some of the episodes of all the shows are already written and "in the can."
And kdogg, your speech can be summed up in an axiom or a #1 hit song by The Osmond Brothers from 1971 "One Bad Apple" don't spoil the whole bunch.
Should one be alarmed and go Chicken Little here and worry about backlash and cancellation? Not even close unless you read what is up on Instagram. Worried? Nope. Concerned? Depends on what one thinks of this. Curious? Yes.
But, if this further gets out to the entertainment media (Extra, ET, Access Hollywood) then maybe it's time for the alarm bells to go off. The story broke in Variety, a source used by those shows and the media in general.
In the end though one has to ask...is anything safe anymore?
Kelly I too am glad Warners' has suspended Kreisberg in the face of these allegations,which is what they are allegations. And perhaps Sarah Scheceter will take over. That's sort of the dynamic of the DC/CW universe, someone coming in to take over things. And yes some of the episodes of all the shows are already written and "in the can."
And kdogg, your speech can be summed up in an axiom or a #1 hit song by The Osmond Brothers from 1971 "One Bad Apple" don't spoil the whole bunch.
Should one be alarmed and go Chicken Little here and worry about backlash and cancellation? Not even close unless you read what is up on Instagram. Worried? Nope. Concerned? Depends on what one thinks of this. Curious? Yes.
But, if this further gets out to the entertainment media (Extra, ET, Access Hollywood) then maybe it's time for the alarm bells to go off. The story broke in Variety, a source used by those shows and the media in general.
In the end though one has to ask...is anything safe anymore?
This is truly sad. For all concerned, I hope there is relief and closure and that if AK is found culpable, corrective measures are taken quickly. It appears that the industry as a whole has to seriously clean house and rebuild the power structure on a cleaner, more solid foundation. I have a feeling things will get a lot worse before they get better.
This is very disturbing and sadly, also too common in the entertainment industry. Power begets abuse. Things must change and they must change very quickly. I hope that WB, Greg Berlanti and Sarah Schechter, once fully aware of all of the relevant facts, take decisive and immediate constructive action to address and fix the problem. If they had it in them, they'd call all staff (everyone from the actors to the office clerks) across all show they produce to apologize to and reassure them that all relevant actions are being taken and that no repercussions will be forthcoming if people speak out.
Let's see how things transpire.
This is very disturbing and sadly, also too common in the entertainment industry. Power begets abuse. Things must change and they must change very quickly. I hope that WB, Greg Berlanti and Sarah Schechter, once fully aware of all of the relevant facts, take decisive and immediate constructive action to address and fix the problem. If they had it in them, they'd call all staff (everyone from the actors to the office clerks) across all show they produce to apologize to and reassure them that all relevant actions are being taken and that no repercussions will be forthcoming if people speak out.
Let's see how things transpire.
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Seems to me that this may be part of a political smear campaign designed to silence certain vocal industry folk just before the Alabama elections. However, as far as the CW superhero shows are concerned, Berlanti Productions staffs them all with multiple showrunners, so there shouldn't be any hiccups in the production process. Those remaining will likely have to double up on duties in order to fill the void caused by Kreisberg's absence while he fights these allegations. Since Sarah Schechter oversees all aspects of Berlanti Prod. as president of the company (which last I checked, have a record 13 TV shows in various stages of production), she's probably already got enough on her plate.
This is disheartening if true. Kreisberg is only one of the people who are behind the success of the show and like others before have already stated, I'm certain that there are individuals who will be very capable of continuing to steer the show towards success.
Not to get into the issue itself too much but, hopefully everyone understands that sexual harassment is not just an entertainment or political problem. Its occurrence has been thoroughly bred into our culture: the entertainment and political world just happen to have large enough platforms to highlight the problem.
Not to get into the issue itself too much but, hopefully everyone understands that sexual harassment is not just an entertainment or political problem. Its occurrence has been thoroughly bred into our culture: the entertainment and political world just happen to have large enough platforms to highlight the problem.
If don't you think that if AK was really engaged in this kind of abuse that high ranking producres like Berlanti and Sarah S would know about? Didn't the Variety article say that some complained to Berlanti's production company about AK and nothing was done?
That the alleged victims won't revel themselves to the public out of fear of Warner Bros punishing them?
This scandal could lead SJWs calling for a boycott of all the shows and could cause the ratings to go down even more
That the alleged victims won't revel themselves to the public out of fear of Warner Bros punishing them?
This scandal could lead SJWs calling for a boycott of all the shows and could cause the ratings to go down even more
Not to get into the issue itself too much but, hopefully everyone understands that sexual harassment is not just an entertainment or political problem. Its occurrence has been thoroughly bred into our culture: the entertainment and political world just happen to have large enough platforms to highlight the problem.
THIS THIS THIS.
Sexual harassment is everywhere and has been brushed under the rug for was too long.
What a terrible development for DC shows on the CW.. . My feeling about it is that "where there's smoke, there's usually fire". Variety says that 15 women and 4 men are basically telling the same stories about Kreisberg. I'd be be interested to find out they know each other. (Variety's article doesn't say.) When you have 19 people who don't even know each other all telling similar stories about the same guy.....
Well guess what folks, Breitbart has written about this, citing the Variety article.
And there is more trouble possible at DC Comics. From the last paragraph of the article...
And there is more trouble possible at DC Comics. From the last paragraph of the article...
On Friday, the editor of DC Comics Eddie Berganza was also suspended over allegations of sexual assault, while dozens of major figures across the industry have been accused of sexual impropriety..
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