Allow me to say first that Sexual Harassment in any kind is, as my tired mind can't think of any word to describe, is bad.
News just broke about WB suspending AK for allegations of sexual harassment over the years while executive producing several projects.
The wave of sexual harassment accusations in the entertainment industry has been ballooning as of late, ruining careers and the public judging the accused generally as guilty without being proven in court. It's quite possible the problem of sexual harassment or assault is widespread in Hollywood, and the accused stand as accused for now. Some have admitted wrongdoing, that's a different thing, but we'll have to wait and see what will come out of this. I'm sure there will be more revelations of other stars or producers of sexual misconduct. I think it was Johnny Depp who said that Hollywood is a "cesspool of that kind of behaviour" (not a direct quote).
Back to AK, love him or hate him, he's been the driving force behind the Berlanti DC franchises, including our common favorite, Supergirl. His knowledge of the DC comics properties seem to be his strongest suit. Personally I'm concerned that the shows will not be going towards the vision and roadmap he may have planned going forward. The news is unsettling.
How do you think this will impact the future of the shows? Will the suspension of Andrew K result of the shows going off the rails in story telling direction, or would just Berlanti replace him with another Executive Producer as competent or probably someone who could be much better?
Thoughts?
Just want to add that it must be a hard time for the cast and crew anyways, so harassing them in addition to that for "not standing up" is really the wrong thing to do.
Even if they didn't know anything about it, and have not been at the receiving end, this would still make a person introspect and re-look at everything they knew about Kriesberg; not to mention wondering what could have happened behind their backs in relation to themselves and people they care for.
So, if people are harassing Chris (and I heard Melissa too) over this, those people need to be flagged (or whatever it is you do in social media to make it stop). And hopefully, the actors themselves won't see it. Katie at least is thankfully not on social media. (I think others will soon retire too, for their own sanity's sake if they had that option).
Even if they didn't know anything about it, and have not been at the receiving end, this would still make a person introspect and re-look at everything they knew about Kriesberg; not to mention wondering what could have happened behind their backs in relation to themselves and people they care for.
So, if people are harassing Chris (and I heard Melissa too) over this, those people need to be flagged (or whatever it is you do in social media to make it stop). And hopefully, the actors themselves won't see it. Katie at least is thankfully not on social media. (I think others will soon retire too, for their own sanity's sake if they had that option).
Sexual harrassment, any sort of harrassment really, would be very difficult to prove. It'd be basically, from a legal point of view, taking one person's words over another. And, when it comes to that, people would mostly side with the people in power. Probably not because of malice, but because it is the easier way.
That is also one of the many reasons why people don't come forward.
Another reason is that people don't automatically identify harrassment as such. Take sexist jokes for example. Many people feel uncomfortable about it. But, if you speak out, in my experience, you are the one who can't take a joke. The person who is weak. Or, the one who doesn't have a sense of humour.
It's bad enough to be harrassed. Why would you want to be a social pariah as well? Better to ignore and move on. Or grit your teeth and stay until you have got some experience and made some money, and then, move on.
Besides, may be it's your fault, you know. May be it is the way you dressed, the way you speak, the way you use your hand. Surely, if he/she was really like that, someone would have done something already?
And this kind of thinking extends to physical harrassment as well. It's very easy to blame yourself and very hard to realise that it is the assaulter's fault. Even harder to realise even once is once too many.
Especially when you are low level employee, but also applicable when you are new or when your power is just perceived and not actual (like most actors and actresses).
I am glad WB is actually investigating these complaints. May be there has been a shift in thinking in Hollywood after all. May be they have reached a tipping point.
As for what some shippers are doing. The people who do this are just like any other blind group with propaganda. They take data to fit their world view and to prove that they are right. Best to ignore.
And comic books and characters and shows have lived on for so long (even through a World War), it is highly unlikely they will be hurt because of this. The shows will just have some shake up, but they should stay on.
I'd like Adler back myself; at least for the doughnut pics. Do the cast even get doughnuts now that Adler is gone?
That is also one of the many reasons why people don't come forward.
Another reason is that people don't automatically identify harrassment as such. Take sexist jokes for example. Many people feel uncomfortable about it. But, if you speak out, in my experience, you are the one who can't take a joke. The person who is weak. Or, the one who doesn't have a sense of humour.
It's bad enough to be harrassed. Why would you want to be a social pariah as well? Better to ignore and move on. Or grit your teeth and stay until you have got some experience and made some money, and then, move on.
Besides, may be it's your fault, you know. May be it is the way you dressed, the way you speak, the way you use your hand. Surely, if he/she was really like that, someone would have done something already?
And this kind of thinking extends to physical harrassment as well. It's very easy to blame yourself and very hard to realise that it is the assaulter's fault. Even harder to realise even once is once too many.
Especially when you are low level employee, but also applicable when you are new or when your power is just perceived and not actual (like most actors and actresses).
I am glad WB is actually investigating these complaints. May be there has been a shift in thinking in Hollywood after all. May be they have reached a tipping point.
As for what some shippers are doing. The people who do this are just like any other blind group with propaganda. They take data to fit their world view and to prove that they are right. Best to ignore.
And comic books and characters and shows have lived on for so long (even through a World War), it is highly unlikely they will be hurt because of this. The shows will just have some shake up, but they should stay on.
I'd like Adler back myself; at least for the doughnut pics. Do the cast even get doughnuts now that Adler is gone?
A point should be raised that while he is being investigated we should not act like he is already guilty
We have remained uncharacteristically quiet about this topic since it launched on Friday evening. Kelsey and I have been in a state of shock. We took the weekend to discuss how we were feeling and what was our position. In the end, Kelsey couldn't have done a better job. I defer to her point of view as a woman, as a person of mixed race, and as a person who experienced sexual harassment several times in her life as well. Her thoughts on the topic and the official point of view of this site can be found on the news section.
You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun, Kal. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders.
Emily Bett Rickards also said her piece, interestingly mentioning "reverse sexism" that to me is counter to Marc G's tweet today.
I think the stars are drawing the line and putting out the message that they won't be intimidated by threat of reprisals from the executives.
Writing out a character is a form of reprisal in that business, a known fact.
I think the stars are drawing the line and putting out the message that they won't be intimidated by threat of reprisals from the executives.
Writing out a character is a form of reprisal in that business, a known fact.
words from Melissa Benoist on the subject
and an IG post from Chyler
the ladies leading by example
as much as this disgusts me i hope that this does not affect the shows, like delaying them, making the less quality, bad plot points, or worst of all have them cancelled.None of that is going to happen, this season is already planned out, most scripts written or in the process, the one that he would have most definitely been a part of the crossover is already in the can, the funding for the season is already there......all they need to do is keep the team they have in place and replace him....which they will do and they will move on from this.
You will begin to see AK's name taken off of this or that, and the Arrowverse will continue on.
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Don't worry too much. AK is only one man and Berlanti Productions is much larger than him. Although he's Greg's top creative guy for the DCTV shows, there are the other hundreds who work to produce and deliver the shows as scheduled every week. AK is just like a captain of a ship, and every captain has a chief mate who is as competent, and then the crew. They cannot just cancel everything because of AK. AK is not the be-all end-all of DCTV. There will be always someone better - all they have to do is look for the right person. People within WB/DC Entertainment like Geoff Johns probably already know a few.
as much as this disgusts me i hope that this does not affect the shows, like delaying them, making the less quality, bad plot points, or worst of all have them cancelled.
as much as this disgusts me i hope that this does not affect the shows, like delaying them, making the less quality, bad plot points, or worst of all have them cancelled.
What a terrible development for DC shows on the CW.. . My feeling about it is that "where there's smoke, there's usually fire". Variety says that 15 women and 4 men are basically telling the same stories about Kreisberg. I'd be be interested to find out they know each other. (Variety's article doesn't say.) When you have 19 people who don't even know each other all telling similar stories about the same guy.....
From what I've read, the nail in the coffin for AK is that these stories are meshing, they are not countering each other, they are actually putting the puzzle together. Also, apparently the 4 men involved are backing up the stories of the 15 women, as to what has been seen. I say, keep cleaning house, it is tough, it is messy, but it needs to be done. What is ridiculously stupid are those theorizing that the demise of #Sanvers and #Supercorp not coming to pass has anything to do with this....AND, there are those that are slamming Chris Wood because he didn't say or do anything about it. These people are delusional.
I also saw a bunch of Karamels laughing about how now they know how Katie became a regular because she slept her way to the top with Kreisberg. These people are sick and this issue is so much bigger than the show. It should be about the survivors and their bravery and strength.
Oh look, the topic returns to be about these two ships again. From what I’ve seen so far I would gladly see Karamel and Supercorp both gone for good. Who devotes their time to obsessing over a particular pairing in a show? And then going to such lengths and making all this fuss and conflict over it?
One the of the teachers at the high school I graduated from only 2 years ago was busted as a pedophile lately. Read it on the local news. He and I only had a few interactions so wasn’t really impacting to me personally but the news made me reinterpret every time he touched a student. A lot of the people I know were pretty shocked, some had been close to him during younger years. I always thought there was something fishy with the school but not that guy.
Relating back to Kresiberg I guess you never really know who people are and what they do. I can only hope for as awareness increases less people in public industries will have indecent tendencies, and those who do seek help before they act on it.
Relating back to Kresiberg I guess you never really know who people are and what they do. I can only hope for as awareness increases less people in public industries will have indecent tendencies, and those who do seek help before they act on it.
Guggenheim responded to the allegations...poorly.
https://twitter.com/mguggenheim/status/929815593624014849
"Sorry, but NO. Reverse sexism isn't the answer. Painting all men with the Weinstein brush isn't the answer." in response to a tweet by Conan O Brien about wanting the 'all female reboot of america'.
https://twitter.com/mguggenheim/status/929815593624014849
"Sorry, but NO. Reverse sexism isn't the answer. Painting all men with the Weinstein brush isn't the answer." in response to a tweet by Conan O Brien about wanting the 'all female reboot of america'.
Kelly wrote:
"The EPs I don't believe are based in Vancouver, I believe they are based in LA, I always figured Ali's departure was more from creative differences than anything else. Also, she wouldn't be in the same position as she was, that is Rovner/Queller now, she could very easily do what needed to be done simply from visits now and then to Vancouver, not a formal move up there. The simple act of adding her name back to the show would be a huge boost IMO. I think the set will be just fine, people are getting all over some of the actors for not speaking up, the fact is, most of this was low level employees in LA where AK was based, not the set....I think the set is the place that every actor that has come on the show has described it as, fun, family, and supportive of each other. So, my thoughts on bringing Ali back are more from a fan calming aspect than a set calming aspect. The set has and will continue on, as it has...I actually think the showrunners heard the fans of "Supergirl" when so many talked about wanting the sisters back, they have certainly given us that in spades. So, I would like to give these showrunners a full season before judging their ideas."
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I tend to agree. However, I believe Ali Adler was sort of / kind of pushed away from the show either for "creative differences" - whatever that might mean - or for political reasons (again, interpret this as you wish), not by her choice.
Since we're not privy to that kind of information as members of the general public, we have to rely on the official party line as to the reasoning for her departure. Since she is committed to working full-time on the rebooted version of Dynasty, it is unlikely that she would be able to contribute more than what her current official Supergirl production role title describes - Executive Creative Consultant. Bringing her back this season may be more of a logistical issue than anything, or it may be that the higher-ups do not require / desire her presence to continue the series and have opted to go with alternate showrunners (i.e. Queller and Rovner) instead.
However, having said this, the current issue concerning Kreisberg's conduct and actions over the years will have an impact on all of the Berlanti Production shows he was / is directly involved with, namely The Flash and Supergirl. The actors / crew and staff on all shows have probably been told not to publicly discuss (either through interviews or social media; gag orders if you will) the controversy or their insider knowledge of events they may have witnessed or been subject to until the investigation / testimonies and applicable actions / remedies have been taken. This is the reason for the blanket media silence.
As it pertains to Berlanti and Schechter, they are very likely working damage control and co-operating with WB's internal investigation and any law enforcement investigation that may be underway. To put it mildly, they will be very, very busy and will also likely be subject of some very, very hard questions of their own from WB and the authorities in Los Angeles and Vancouver.
I think most of the questions will be on the main office staff in California.....that seems to be where most of the allegations are coming from. Writing staff, etc, is all in LA so I have a feeling a good majority of the investigation will be there and the shooting schedule will go on as always.
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Kelly wrote:
"The EPs I don't believe are based in Vancouver, I believe they are based in LA, I always figured Ali's departure was more from creative differences than anything else. Also, she wouldn't be in the same position as she was, that is Rovner/Queller now, she could very easily do what needed to be done simply from visits now and then to Vancouver, not a formal move up there. The simple act of adding her name back to the show would be a huge boost IMO. I think the set will be just fine, people are getting all over some of the actors for not speaking up, the fact is, most of this was low level employees in LA where AK was based, not the set....I think the set is the place that every actor that has come on the show has described it as, fun, family, and supportive of each other. So, my thoughts on bringing Ali back are more from a fan calming aspect than a set calming aspect. The set has and will continue on, as it has...I actually think the showrunners heard the fans of "Supergirl" when so many talked about wanting the sisters back, they have certainly given us that in spades. So, I would like to give these showrunners a full season before judging their ideas."
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I tend to agree. However, I believe Ali Adler was sort of / kind of pushed away from the show either for "creative differences" - whatever that might mean - or for political reasons (again, interpret this as you wish), not by her choice.
Since we're not privy to that kind of information as members of the general public, we have to rely on the official party line as to the reasoning for her departure. Since she is committed to working full-time on the rebooted version of Dynasty, it is unlikely that she would be able to contribute more than what her current official Supergirl production role title describes - Executive Creative Consultant. Bringing her back this season may be more of a logistical issue than anything, or it may be that the higher-ups do not require / desire her presence to continue the series and have opted to go with alternate showrunners (i.e. Queller and Rovner) instead.
However, having said this, the current issue concerning Kreisberg's conduct and actions over the years will have an impact on all of the Berlanti Production shows he was / is directly involved with, namely The Flash and Supergirl. The actors / crew and staff on all shows have probably been told not to publicly discuss (either through interviews or social media; gag orders if you will) the controversy or their insider knowledge of events they may have witnessed or been subject to until the investigation / testimonies and applicable actions / remedies have been taken. This is the reason for the blanket media silence.
As it pertains to Berlanti and Schechter, they are very likely working damage control and co-operating with WB's internal investigation and any law enforcement investigation that may be underway. To put it mildly, they will be very, very busy and will also likely be subject of some very, very hard questions of their own from WB and the authorities in Los Angeles and Vancouver.
"The EPs I don't believe are based in Vancouver, I believe they are based in LA, I always figured Ali's departure was more from creative differences than anything else. Also, she wouldn't be in the same position as she was, that is Rovner/Queller now, she could very easily do what needed to be done simply from visits now and then to Vancouver, not a formal move up there. The simple act of adding her name back to the show would be a huge boost IMO. I think the set will be just fine, people are getting all over some of the actors for not speaking up, the fact is, most of this was low level employees in LA where AK was based, not the set....I think the set is the place that every actor that has come on the show has described it as, fun, family, and supportive of each other. So, my thoughts on bringing Ali back are more from a fan calming aspect than a set calming aspect. The set has and will continue on, as it has...I actually think the showrunners heard the fans of "Supergirl" when so many talked about wanting the sisters back, they have certainly given us that in spades. So, I would like to give these showrunners a full season before judging their ideas."
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I tend to agree. However, I believe Ali Adler was sort of / kind of pushed away from the show either for "creative differences" - whatever that might mean - or for political reasons (again, interpret this as you wish), not by her choice.
Since we're not privy to that kind of information as members of the general public, we have to rely on the official party line as to the reasoning for her departure. Since she is committed to working full-time on the rebooted version of Dynasty, it is unlikely that she would be able to contribute more than what her current official Supergirl production role title describes - Executive Creative Consultant. Bringing her back this season may be more of a logistical issue than anything, or it may be that the higher-ups do not require / desire her presence to continue the series and have opted to go with alternate showrunners (i.e. Queller and Rovner) instead.
However, having said this, the current issue concerning Kreisberg's conduct and actions over the years will have an impact on all of the Berlanti Production shows he was / is directly involved with, namely The Flash and Supergirl. The actors / crew and staff on all shows have probably been told not to publicly discuss (either through interviews or social media; gag orders if you will) the controversy or their insider knowledge of events they may have witnessed or been subject to until the investigation / testimonies and applicable actions / remedies have been taken. This is the reason for the blanket media silence.
As it pertains to Berlanti and Schechter, they are very likely working damage control and co-operating with WB's internal investigation and any law enforcement investigation that may be underway. To put it mildly, they will be very, very busy and will also likely be subject of some very, very hard questions of their own from WB and the authorities in Los Angeles and Vancouver.
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In my opinion, the very best thing that Berlanti could do, as far as Supergirl is concerned is bring back Ali Adler, that I think would calm much of this down for Supergirl. She seemed far more hands on with the production and I think could bring some stability.I liked Adler. I have no evidence of it but, I feel as though she was the driving force behind having the show focus on the sister relationship during season 1. Wasn't it Adler who created the character of Alex? I'd say that was a fairly substantial creative contribution to the show. I can also remember seeing many behind the scene photos that Adler provided of Melissa and Chyler, which gave the fans an important connection to the actresses and the show's story. It also showed what appeared to be a mutual respect between her and the actors/actresses.
I think that you are right Kelly, in that Adler would add some stability, along with strong direction for the show. I'm not sure if she is in a position to come back because wasn't the reason why she stepped away because she didn't want to take her family to Vancouver? But, if it is possible, that would get my vote (not that they care what I think).
The EPs I don't believe are based in Vancouver, I believe they are based in LA, I always figured Ali's departure was more from creative differences than anything else. Also, she wouldn't be in the same position as she was, that is Rovner/Queller now, she could very easily do what needed to be done simply from visits now and then to Vancouver, not a formal move up there. The simple act of adding her name back to the show would be a huge boost IMO. I think the set will be just fine, people are getting all over some of the actors for not speaking up, the fact is, most of this was low level employees in LA where AK was based, not the set....I think the set is the place that every actor that has come on the show has described it as, fun, family, and supportive of each other. So, my thoughts on bringing Ali back are more from a fan calming aspect than a set calming aspect. The set has and will continue on, as it has...I actually think the showrunners heard the fans of "Supergirl" when so many talked about wanting the sisters back, they have certainly given us that in spades. So, I would like to give these showrunners a full season before judging their ideas.
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In my opinion, the very best thing that Berlanti could do, as far as Supergirl is concerned is bring back Ali Adler, that I think would calm much of this down for Supergirl. She seemed far more hands on with the production and I think could bring some stability.I liked Adler. I have no evidence of it but, I feel as though she was the driving force behind having the show focus on the sister relationship during season 1. Wasn't it Adler who created the character of Alex? I'd say that was a fairly substantial creative contribution to the show. I can also remember seeing many behind the scene photos that Adler provided of Melissa and Chyler, which gave the fans an important connection to the actresses and the show's story. It also showed what appeared to be a mutual respect between her and the actors/actresses.
I think that you are right Kelly, in that Adler would add some stability, along with strong direction for the show. I'm not sure if she is in a position to come back because wasn't the reason why she stepped away because she didn't want to take her family to Vancouver? But, if it is possible, that would get my vote (not that they care what I think
). Sexual Harassment is disgusting in all forms and should be dealt with zero tolerance. I am saddened to see people who work on something I enjoy have had to endure this behavior. Thankfully due to some very courageous voices it has come to light and is being dealt with. Regardless of how tempting it may be to pass around some blame; 100% of the blame goes to the creep doing this ****.
We need to all stand in solidarity with the victims so that they know they are heard, understood and supported. For those that would try and bring ships wars, character/story complaints into; I ask you to politely STOP! Please do not hijack the stories of the brave men and women who have come forward under difficult circumstances.
Wonderfully said! This is a despicable situation at hand and should not be reduced to petty ship wars and such. Doing so does a diservice to the brave voices speaking out against this man.
I want to make it clear, this is not directed at nor meant to be a call out of anyone here. I see some bringing to light some awful behavior with in the fandom, and its important that we we are aware of this **** so we can stop it. Everyone finally has a reason to unify under 1 voice, enough
The braveness of these 19 people to come forward is remarkable. I hope that this will help others that have undoubtedly been harassed also find comfort. Hopefully Kreisberg will answer for his actions and maybe this will help everyone involved to start healing.
Sexual Harassment is disgusting in all forms and should be dealt with zero tolerance. I am saddened to see people who work on something I enjoy have had to endure this behavior. Thankfully due to some very courageous voices it has come to light and is being dealt with. Regardless of how tempting it may be to pass around some blame; 100% of the blame goes to the creep doing this ****.
We need to all stand in solidarity with the victims so that they know they are heard, understood and supported. For those that would try and bring ships wars, character/story complaints into; I ask you to politely STOP! Please do not hijack the stories of the brave men and women who have come forward under difficult circumstances.
Wonderfully said! This is a despicable situation at hand and should not be reduced to petty ship wars and such. Doing so does a diservice to the brave voices speaking out against this man.
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