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With one week until the season five premier I think it’s a good time to open Supergirl Season Five Episode Discussion and Review Volume 1. Last year we moved from threads for each episode to volumes and that seemed to work better. If someone wants to open threads for each episode go ahead, I’ll delete this one if that happens.

Let’s use this thread until the number of responses reaches an unmanageable point then like last year move on to subsequent volumes. I’ll list the episode titles for discussion in this thread only after they’re announced on the news page. I can add trailers and/or synopses too if the group wants.

S5E01 Event Horizon

S5E02 Stranger Beside Me

S5E03 Blurred Lines

S5E04 In Plain Sight

S5E05 Dangerous Liaisons

S5E06 Confidence Woman

S5E07 Tremors

S5E08 The Wrath of Rama Khan

While it’s likely that there will be Crises on Infinite Earths related scenes in these episodes if you’re post strictly involves those please use the dedicated thread. IMO it will easier for all of us if we don’t have to search through multiple threads come December.
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Someone in a FB group I belong to posted this and I thought it was too funny not to share.

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Shoutouts to Katie’s first major role and the snickers ads that are running in comic books.
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Confidence Woman was IMO necessary and not “filler”, we needed the backstory for Andrea/Acrata. I actually care about her now that there’s more to her than a horrible boss. Similarly, I thought “Man of Steel” made Ben Lockwood a more compelling character last season. It also provided some context for Lena’s reaction to finding out Kara’s secret. And now all the players know the name Leviathan. My prediction is Kara and Lena will realize they have to work together against Leviathan in the classic the enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. Working together will help them regain some of the trust that’s been lost on both sides. Looking back on last season almost everything was done for a reason even if we didn’t know the reason for several episodes, growing up my dad told me patience is a virtue so let’s show some.


I agree with all of this. Once season 4 was complete, we could look back on earlier episodes and see why certain things were done. I still think The Elite were used poorly, though. But that's just my opinion.

I have the same feeling, this year. The things that are less-than-great on an episode-to-episode basis probably have a reason. That said, I do think they need to do better at making each episode stand out in it's own quality, while still allowing it to contribute to the ongoing narrative. And also, keeping Kara at the center.
I agree that there’s room for improvement in making individual episodes stand out more. I also think that we as an audience need to play the long game a bit more and trust the writers will bring things together like they did last season. For me a bit of the issue comes from where a show falls on the spectrum of being procedural versus serialized. Season one of this show leaned more towards procedural then with the network switch went more serialized to match the other Arrowverse shows. IMO it’s more challenging to make individual episodes stand out when a show is highly serialized. One show that I think had a great procedural/serialized balance was The X-Files. Each season and the show itself had an overall arc and many episodes served to move that along. But there were also some “monster of the week episodes” that had absolutely nothing to do with moving the story along. Those episodes were some of the most bonkers fun ones and often served as a chance for the audience to catch their breath from the heavy stuff. I’m not sure if 20 some years later audiences would tolerate that same balance. Should the show do some (say 3-4 per 22 episode season) bonkers fun, standout “villain of the week” episodes that have nothing to do with the main arc. If you think about it some fan favorite episodes of Arrowverse shows have been called “fun filler”. Would today’s audiences accept that if say the showrunners announced that intention at SDCC so we know it’s coming. I hope the 100th episode is a bonkers fun one-off that lets the cast have fun and celebrate their achievement with the fans.
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Rewatching last week's episode right now. I actually liked it. And, I found myself really liking Andrea after it. She now feels like a sadly tragic person to me--she could have been great, but chose wrong, very very wrong. lol

One thing I just realized is helping to make this season great for me since season 1--not so many random aliens running around everywhere AND we're back at Noonan's. Having aliens everywhere, for me, made Supergirl and Superman AND J'onn feel less special, unique. They were starting to make the entire Earth feel like the cantina back on Tatooine. If I could have ANY change come from Crisis it would be THAT--aliens just being from Fort Rozz. I miss the feeling of being afraid of the "things that go bump in the night"-- like the Jailer episode where the FBI was trying to keep the "strange things" a secret.
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Someone on another site brought this up so although I’ve given it my own spin, I can’t take credit for the idea. We as an audience know that Kara has always believed in Lena and been on her side but there’s a lot that Lena doesn’t know. Lena doesn’t know that Kara was the only one who believed she was innocent in “Luthor’s”. Lena doesn’t know that Kara was just as worried about her as Mon-EL when they were trapped on the Daxamite ship in “Resist. Lena doesn’t know the extent of what Kara did to prove the lead bomb didn’t poison the kids in “Damage”. Lena doesn’t know that Kara was seconds away from telling her on the plane back from Kasnia or that Alex told Kara to wait at game night.

This is some of what Lena knows.
• That her friend pretended to be interviewing her for a story about her mother while really just digging for dirt on Cadmus.
• That her best friend didn't trust her with Kryptonite when she was trying to find a way to defeat Reign, opinions vary on Kara’s reaction.
• That her best friend was the one who recruited her boyfriend to spy on her. I think the consensus is that Kara was wrong to ask James to break onto L Corp, this IMO was Kara’s biggest mistake and on her.
• That her friend interviewed her about Mercy Graves just so she could find and stop Mercy.

Remember how Lena said Kara is a good actress. Lena thinks Kara’s pretended to befriend her in order to "keep an eye on the resident Luthor", that Kara’s been manipulating her just like everyone else always did. All Lena sees is what she believes to have been a performance for the last three years whose purpose was to "keep your enemies close,". Kara did tell Livewire that she’d been keeping an eye on her when she went to ask Livewire to go to Fort Roz with her. Do I condone Lena’s most recent actions, no I don’t but the more I think about it I can see her POV.

At some point, someone else (Alex would be the best candidate) will tell Lena how often Kara’s stood up for Lena and genuinely believed in her. I can see Lena using her baby truth seeker like she did with Lillian. I can picture a Kara/Lena scene where Kara insists she’s been Lena’s friend all along and Lena tells her to prove it. They’ve never said the truth seekers venom doesn’t work on Kryptonians.
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Light on the political heavy handedness and more with the action adventure. I can start watching the show again regularly if it continues like this.

I really do hope the two ladies mend fences. Hate to see Lena just be out right evil. Product of her upbringing I guess. One too many betrayals.

Good to be able to feel invested in these characters.
I got misty when Kara told Lena her identity. I admit it.

Don’t judge me! ?
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Good episode. Supergirl does the saving, not the other way around.
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@ Kiwi,

Welcome back. ;)
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Hi Kiwi!

Good to hear from you.
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I give Episode 7 'Tremors' a 6.5 out of 10 (or 4 out of 6 stars). There were some things I really enjoyed and some things I didn't. For something a little different this time here's how I gave my points to come to a score of 6.5, the acting in the episode took out a majority of the points.

+ 1 to the opening scene with Supergirl and J'onn, I love me these two and have really enjoyed watching their friendship develop over the course of the series.

+ 2 for Melissa

+ 1 for Jesse Rath

+ 1 for Katie McGrath

+ 1 for David Harewood and his scenes with Carl Lumbly (as J'onn's Father) and Phil La Marr (as J'onn's Brother)

+ 1 for the fight between Supergirl and Rama Khan, it was nice to see Supergirl use her intelligence (home advantage, loved that :) ) combined with her Superpowers to get the upper hand against R K

- 1 for Lena's assist in the fight with R K, I don't really need to see her in action and much rather it was Supergirl alone that sent R K away (like the way she did it solo against Mxy in Season 2).

+ 0.5 for a reference to my favourite season of the show Season 1 with Kara's comment about her Aunt Astra and Myriad.


One Final note - I really wish J'onn had a different story this season, I've certainly seen enough of his backstory and family history previously. Something more interesting would've been his now job as a Private Investigator which seems to have just about been forgotten about. Hopefully that will be something they'll explore post Crisis.
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Pictures have revealed Lena to be working alongside Alex in the Supergirl episode of the Crisis crossover. This means 1 of 2 things. Either Lena comes to her senses and forgives Kara, at the end of this upcoming episode (Wrath of Rama Khan), or the Crisis begins, and Team Supergirl and Lena realize they need to work together, for the sake of survival.

Regardless, Kara knows about Lena's actions, now, and they aren't stretching that trope over the whole season, which is nice. As a result, the pacing, this year, has been so much better than last year. Not every episode is a winner, but things have been moving along nicely, these past few episodes.
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Wow! Just realized, I've rewatched this week's episode 3.5 times already. I like it even better than the first time I watched. Says a lot about this season--me excited to re-watch each episode more than once. Haven't done that since season 1, to this extent. The way Melissa plays Kara during the Kara/Lena scene--WOW! She reverts back to the more innocent and naive Kara from season 1. It's especially noticeable at two parts--"Why didn't you come to me...." and..."Are you going to kill me?" So so well done. And, I specifically want to point out, that usually, when Kara is in the Supergirl suit, I see Supergirl. This was one time that I can think of where I saw Kara actually in the suit. Again, that's high praise for Melissa.
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I hope the 100th episode is a bonkers fun one-off that lets the cast have fun and celebrate their achievement with the fans.


Brie, I saw online that Danielle Panabaker said the most recent episode of The Flash (which SHE directed) would show Grant Gustin at his goofiest. Well, I say for episode 100, let Melissa be the queen of silly. She has shown silliness in many behind the scenes pictures and videos on Instagram.

Time to loosen up and celebrate.
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Another question I have is how is James putting on the Guardian suit and not getting arrested?


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By the grace and guile of the writers' illogical and non-linear line of thinking (and lack of attention to detail, lore, plausibility, air-headedness and plain old tomfoolery). It's their secret super powers, don't you know! ;)
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Hi fellow members, trust you are all doing well. While I'm here making a comment on the new Superman show I just have a few thoughts on Season 5 so far, while Episodes 1 to 3 had some nice moments I found them to be just average (5 or 6 out of 10) and not all that entertaining, didn't get any re-watch value out of them. Fortunately Episode 4 stepped up and was for me easily the best episode of Season 5 and that was mainly due to having the best Supergirl action of this season, she was saving the day and I liked the way she got herself out of trouble in the fight with whomever it was in Mexico and then proceeded to capture her and take her to the DEO, nice work Supergirl. Added to that was a really nice scene with Supergirl and J'onn (love those 2) at the DEO and then an excellent scene with Kara and William at his apartment. Great acting as usual from Melissa. An episode is always much more enjoyable when there's good Kara/Supergirl story/action in it.

Going forward I hope there's more Supergirl being Supergirl like in Episode 4 and less Supergirl being tied up while Guardian has a fight against and later Alex takes down with her fancy weapon Spider Lady in Episode 3.
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Thanks Liberty Prime and Romulus, I've found it really good to just watch the episodes without any previews (that means not reading any articles, synopsis, looking at photos, watching trailers or sneak peeks) so I'll be continuing that for the remainder of this season especially with Crisis and Supergirl's 100th episode coming up.

Just a couple more quick notes about Season 5 so far:

1) I quite enjoyed seeing Noonan's Cafe again in Episode 1, hope we see more scenes there the remainder of this season, Noonan's is so much nicer, lighter and brighter than the bar the characters sometimes frequent.

2) Looking forward now to Kara and William's team-up on the investigation into Andrea and seeing where that story-line goes. It's actually to me going to be a more interesting Kara story-line to watch than the one she has with Lena (which will still be OK to watch as it involves Kara).
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Thought this thread needed a little love (or even just a review of an episode :) ) . For reference as I'm staying away from the news items to avoid spoilers I haven't read anyone's comments about Episode 5.

Episode 5 was another solid and enjoyable episode, 8 out of 10.

Here's some of things I enjoyed:

- All Kara and William scenes, I'm liking what I'm seeing from watching them work together, more of that please.

- All Kara and J'onn scenes, I love me these two, anytime they share the screen it's a joy to watch and they even got to save the world together. 2 :) :) 's for K and J (SG and MM).

- Another fine performance from Jesse Rath as Brainy and kudos for a line from the movie Speed. "Pop Quiz Hot Shot" :) , although I thought that was a Dennis Hopper line rather than a Keanu Reeves one.

- Nice to see Phil LaMarr given some screen-time (rather than just his voice) as Jonn's brother, nice performance from Phil

- Noonan's Cafe, so nice to have it on the show again, I appreciate them bringing it back this season.


A couple of minor negatives

- There wasn't much Supergirl action, I prefer it like Episode 4 where it was spread throughout the episode instead of having to wait until the end for her to do something (as in this episode).

- As nice as it was for Supergirl to be in Antarctica saving the day it's also nice for her to be home saving her own city (National City) so think I would have preferred that in this instance i/o Dreamer.


Remember the days when Kara and Alex would sit on the couch and discuss their day, I would kinda like to that to come back, not really interested in Alex and Kelly. My views on relationships on this show are fairly well known but it all comes down to if Kara's not in one then Alex shouldn't be, bring back some sister couch talks.

So here we are at the One Quarter mark of the season, so far I have it as a 7 out 10 (same as Season 3, ahead of Season 4 but behind Seasons 1 and 2), Episodes 4 and 5 have certainly made up for the disappointments of Episode 1 to 3 and have me enjoying the show again.

Just a note on the new costume, it looked really nice in a scene in Episode 3 when she was standing at the D.E.O.. Overall though it still doesn't look as good as the previous costume (which IMHO was Superheroine costume perfection), I feel it's a little too masculine compared to the feminine costume that came before. In regards to Kara I have been liking the variety of dresses she's been wearing for work.

There's a few thoughts on the season so far from me but don't leave me lonely, hopefully some others will share how you feel about the show currently (this season).

Thanks B for doing the thread this year..
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Alrighty, figured I'd jump in since we are a few episodes in. Been steering clear to avoid spoilers (especially leading up to Crisis), as well as, being swayed in my opinions of the show :D . Enjoying not having any idea of what's coming, who's coming, or what to expect/predict. I have to say, I was completely surprised by this week's reveal at the end. SO refreshing to have that reaction, again, when it comes to a Supergirl episode.

Also, last episode I felt was tighter, better written. There were side stories, but they didn't take up a lot of time while still propelling their purpose forward.

Jesse was so good with his multiple personalities, AGAIN. That whole scene was terrifically acted by all involved.

Overall, REALLY liking this season!! Been so great to be away from heavy handed politics, as so many Supergirl fans have requested/argued for/left because of. As for American's watching, we are already overwhelmed by a heated political climate. Been so so so very refreshing to get an hour of my favorite show of just pure entertainment.

Other major pluses for me:

--Loved how Lena found out the secret. Brilliantly acted, and tragic.
--Intriguing, tighter story lines filled with some solid mystery
--Good new villains
--Focus seems to finally be back on Kara/Supergirl for the most part
--More and more focus on the heart of the show--THE DANVERS SISTERS!!
--I really like Kelly. The actress has grown on me, and I like the "calmness" about the character.
--AMAZING ACTING BY MELISSA!!!
--Jesse is KILLING it as Brainy.
--Loving more Brainy/Alex/Supergirl scenes. GOLDEN!
--Brainy/Lena scenes, terrific, and surprisingly funny

Somewhat minuses for me, but not severe ones:

--They made SUCH a big political statement deal in season 2 about J'onn choosing to live his life as a black man; but umm...his whole family is portrayed as black. ???? And how did Lena force his brother to turn into a human? So do Martians have some human default? :) Seems like loose writing.

--Liking Kelly. LOVING Alex. Not loving Kelly and Alex. While I appreciate that their relationship is being writing more maturely than Alex/Maggie, for ME it just feels like two straight women with no chemistry. But, again, that's me.

P.S....

Did anyone else feel like Jame's/Mehcad's exit was totally anticlimactic???? Winn/Jeremy got a huge emotional send-off. Seemed off to me.
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I was on was on vacation and didn't get to watch Dangerous Liaisons until last night. I didn't look at the pictures either. I agree @evrafter it was nice to not know too much going into an episode. In my headcannon James didn't get as big a sendoff as Winn because he's just moving to a town driving distance away not 1000 years into the future. In show the characters can still call him anytime and see him without too much trouble, It's us as the audience that know that's not going to happen..

It was nice to have the Leviathan story move forward. I liked that Kara went into the first fight with Rip Roar alone. I did figure out from the time they said no body was found that William's friend is Rip Roar. I get why some don't like how that was telegraphed but this is the same universe that's trying to convince me that Barry Allan as played by Grant is going to die, sorry Flash is bugging the heck out me right now. Overall still enjoying this season but can't wait until CoIE is over and really don't want my shows blown up by it.
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Confidence Woman was IMO necessary and not “filler”, we needed the backstory for Andrea/Acrata. I actually care about her now that there’s more to her than a horrible boss. Similarly, I thought “Man of Steel” made Ben Lockwood a more compelling character last season. It also provided some context for Lena’s reaction to finding out Kara’s secret. And now all the players know the name Leviathan. My prediction is Kara and Lena will realize they have to work together against Leviathan in the classic the enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. Working together will help them regain some of the trust that’s been lost on both sides. Looking back on last season almost everything was done for a reason even if we didn’t know the reason for several episodes, growing up my dad told me patience is a virtue so let’s show some.
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Confidence Woman was IMO necessary and not “filler”, we needed the backstory for Andrea/Acrata. I actually care about her now that there’s more to her than a horrible boss. Similarly, I thought “Man of Steel” made Ben Lockwood a more compelling character last season. It also provided some context for Lena’s reaction to finding out Kara’s secret. And now all the players know the name Leviathan. My prediction is Kara and Lena will realize they have to work together against Leviathan in the classic the enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. Working together will help them regain some of the trust that’s been lost on both sides. Looking back on last season almost everything was done for a reason even if we didn’t know the reason for several episodes, growing up my dad told me patience is a virtue so let’s show some.


I agree with all of this. Once season 4 was complete, we could look back on earlier episodes and see why certain things were done. I still think The Elite were used poorly, though. But that's just my opinion.

I have the same feeling, this year. The things that are less-than-great on an episode-to-episode basis probably have a reason. That said, I do think they need to do better at making each episode stand out in it's own quality, while still allowing it to contribute to the ongoing narrative. And also, keeping Kara at the center.
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