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With one week until the season five premier I think it’s a good time to open Supergirl Season Five Episode Discussion and Review Volume 1. Last year we moved from threads for each episode to volumes and that seemed to work better. If someone wants to open threads for each episode go ahead, I’ll delete this one if that happens.

Let’s use this thread until the number of responses reaches an unmanageable point then like last year move on to subsequent volumes. I’ll list the episode titles for discussion in this thread only after they’re announced on the news page. I can add trailers and/or synopses too if the group wants.

S5E01 Event Horizon

S5E02 Stranger Beside Me

S5E03 Blurred Lines

S5E04 In Plain Sight

S5E05 Dangerous Liaisons

S5E06 Confidence Woman

S5E07 Tremors

S5E08 The Wrath of Rama Khan

While it’s likely that there will be Crises on Infinite Earths related scenes in these episodes if you’re post strictly involves those please use the dedicated thread. IMO it will easier for all of us if we don’t have to search through multiple threads come December.
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TVGuide.com interview it Katie, here are some highlights.

When asked what it was like filming that confrontation scene, which took a day to film, she said it was “horrendous” then explains why “the thing about things like that is that your mind knows it's fake, but your body doesn't know, because you're asking your body to go through it. So the emotions are all, as far as your body is concerned, very real.” but she added that the finished product was worth it. That’s a bit of incite about what these actors put themselves through for our entertainment. She also said “It was a long, very emotional day, and if you can see how much Melissa is delivering on her coverage, she gives just as much when the camera's not on her”.

Lastly here’s what she said this Sunday’s episode The Wrath of Rama Khan “What I have to say about it is that episode is very exciting. It's like nail-biting. Every episode is slightly different, but this one's sort of like edge-of-your-seat, nail-biting, very tense episode.”
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To me the episode before #100 will set for me what I want in ep. 100. I dont want a throwaway episode for the sake of them suddenly going silly on us. I certainly would love to see Cat, Monel and Winn in the Ep....but I want it to continue the story. I dont want a one off, simply for the sake of celebrating #100. Show me BTS of them acting bonkers, I want a solid episode that furthers the story at that moment.


I'm pretty much the complete opposite, that was one part of The Flash's 100th episode I didn't enjoy was a continuation of the season long story-line.

The way I look at it there's 20 other episodes in which you can have the season long story running through them there should be at least 1 episode a season which can be standalone. To me Supergirl # 100 is the perfect episode to be a celebration of the character of Supergirl, a This is your life Kara Zor-El kinda thing.
If u can guarantee me no throwaway eps. Ok...but ya can't. I dont want a silly episode....I want something with substance.
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To me the episode before #100 will set for me what I want in ep. 100. I dont want a throwaway episode for the sake of them suddenly going silly on us. I certainly would love to see Cat, Monel and Winn in the Ep....but I want it to continue the story. I dont want a one off, simply for the sake of celebrating #100. Show me BTS of them acting bonkers, I want a solid episode that furthers the story at that moment.


I'm pretty much the complete opposite, that was one part of The Flash's 100th episode I didn't enjoy was a continuation of the season long story-line.

The way I look at it there's 20 other episodes in which you can have the season long story running through them there should be at least 1 episode a season which can be standalone. To me Supergirl # 100 is the perfect episode to be a celebration of the character of Supergirl, a This is your life Kara Zor-El kinda thing.
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I hope the 100th episode is a bonkers fun one-off that lets the cast have fun and celebrate their achievement with the fans.


Brie, I saw online that Danielle Panabaker said the most recent episode of The Flash (which SHE directed) would show Grant Gustin at his goofiest. Well, I say for episode 100, let Melissa be the queen of silly. She has shown silliness in many behind the scenes pictures and videos on Instagram.

Time to loosen up and celebrate.

That Flash episode was delightfully bonkers! I wouldn't want every episode to be like it, but it is nice to just have some fun once in a while.

Ever since Queller took over, I have had the impression that the show takes itself a little too seriously at times.
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To me the episode before #100 will set for me what I want in ep. 100. I dont want a throwaway episode for the sake of them suddenly going silly on us. I certainly would love to see Cat, Monel and Winn in the Ep....but I want it to continue the story. I dont want a one off, simply for the sake of celebrating #100. Show me BTS of them acting bonkers, I want a solid episode that furthers the story at that moment.
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I hope the 100th episode is a bonkers fun one-off that lets the cast have fun and celebrate their achievement with the fans.


Brie, I saw online that Danielle Panabaker said the most recent episode of The Flash (which SHE directed) would show Grant Gustin at his goofiest. Well, I say for episode 100, let Melissa be the queen of silly. She has shown silliness in many behind the scenes pictures and videos on Instagram.

Time to loosen up and celebrate.
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Good thoughts, Brierrose! Sounds like a plausible resolution.

Repairing Kara and Lena's friendship aside...
This is some of what Lena knows.
• That her friend pretended to be interviewing her for a story about her mother while really just digging for dirt on Cadmus.
• That her best friend didn't trust her with Kryptonite when she was trying to find a way to defeat Reign, opinions vary on Kara’s reaction.
• That her best friend was the one who recruited her boyfriend to spy on her. I think the consensus is that Kara was wrong to ask James to break onto L Corp, this IMO was Kara’s biggest mistake and on her.
• That her friend interviewed her about Mercy Graves just so she could find and stop Mercy.

Even were all of the above true, it would still not justify Lena's actions. She has gone far beyond "righteous anger" and jumped to threat to humanity. Pretty words about doing no harm aside, she literally aims to bend every other person to her will.

The most ironic line of Tremors was from Lena-- "I'm not a villain," spoken as she makes off with a stolen Kryptonian superweapon. (Ranks up there with Obi Wan Kenobi's: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." )

If and when Lena realizes the truth of Kara's motives and comes around, there is no way in Hades I would trust her again. Kara, though, is possessed of an incalculable supply of goodwill and forgiveness, so I'm fairly sure it will work out with her. Seeing how the other characters in Kara's orbit react will be even more interesting to me. :)
Quite true two wrongs don't make a right. I wanted to point out that Lena's feelings aren't coming out of left field. That in no way makes her actions justifiable, being hurt doesn't give you the right to hurt back. Lena's recent actions with Eve, Ma'alefa'ak, and in the Fortress are villainous. Things seem to have turned out better for Ma'alefa'ak but that wasn't due to Lena. IRL the Eve/Hope thing was probably done in part as a way to allow Andrea to work as late into her pregnancy as she wants to. I would love to see Kara struggle to trust Lena again. It seems from the synopsis of CoIE that Alex and J'onn work with Lena but that's an understandable if we don't work together we're all going to die situation like working with Lillian in season two. It would be nice to see cynical Alex have plan Bs like Kara did when working with Lillian (having Winn program CyborgSuperman to get them all off the ship and having Lena/Winn give the lead bomb denotator to Supergirl).
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Good thoughts, Brierrose! Sounds like a plausible resolution.

Repairing Kara and Lena's friendship aside...
This is some of what Lena knows.
• That her friend pretended to be interviewing her for a story about her mother while really just digging for dirt on Cadmus.
• That her best friend didn't trust her with Kryptonite when she was trying to find a way to defeat Reign, opinions vary on Kara’s reaction.
• That her best friend was the one who recruited her boyfriend to spy on her. I think the consensus is that Kara was wrong to ask James to break onto L Corp, this IMO was Kara’s biggest mistake and on her.
• That her friend interviewed her about Mercy Graves just so she could find and stop Mercy.

Even were all of the above true, it would still not justify Lena's actions. She has gone far beyond "righteous anger" and jumped to threat to humanity. Pretty words about doing no harm aside, she literally aims to bend every other person to her will.

The most ironic line of Tremors was from Lena-- "I'm not a villain," spoken as she makes off with a stolen Kryptonian superweapon. (Ranks up there with Obi Wan Kenobi's: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." )

If and when Lena realizes the truth of Kara's motives and comes around, there is no way in Hades I would trust her again. Kara, though, is possessed of an incalculable supply of goodwill and forgiveness, so I'm fairly sure it will work out with her. Seeing how the other characters in Kara's orbit react will be even more interesting to me. :)
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Someone on another site brought this up so although I’ve given it my own spin, I can’t take credit for the idea. We as an audience know that Kara has always believed in Lena and been on her side but there’s a lot that Lena doesn’t know. Lena doesn’t know that Kara was the only one who believed she was innocent in “Luthor’s”. Lena doesn’t know that Kara was just as worried about her as Mon-EL when they were trapped on the Daxamite ship in “Resist. Lena doesn’t know the extent of what Kara did to prove the lead bomb didn’t poison the kids in “Damage”. Lena doesn’t know that Kara was seconds away from telling her on the plane back from Kasnia or that Alex told Kara to wait at game night.

This is some of what Lena knows.
• That her friend pretended to be interviewing her for a story about her mother while really just digging for dirt on Cadmus.
• That her best friend didn't trust her with Kryptonite when she was trying to find a way to defeat Reign, opinions vary on Kara’s reaction.
• That her best friend was the one who recruited her boyfriend to spy on her. I think the consensus is that Kara was wrong to ask James to break onto L Corp, this IMO was Kara’s biggest mistake and on her.
• That her friend interviewed her about Mercy Graves just so she could find and stop Mercy.

Remember how Lena said Kara is a good actress. Lena thinks Kara’s pretended to befriend her in order to "keep an eye on the resident Luthor", that Kara’s been manipulating her just like everyone else always did. All Lena sees is what she believes to have been a performance for the last three years whose purpose was to "keep your enemies close,". Kara did tell Livewire that she’d been keeping an eye on her when she went to ask Livewire to go to Fort Roz with her. Do I condone Lena’s most recent actions, no I don’t but the more I think about it I can see her POV.

At some point, someone else (Alex would be the best candidate) will tell Lena how often Kara’s stood up for Lena and genuinely believed in her. I can see Lena using her baby truth seeker like she did with Lillian. I can picture a Kara/Lena scene where Kara insists she’s been Lena’s friend all along and Lena tells her to prove it. They’ve never said the truth seekers venom doesn’t work on Kryptonians.
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Look at this picture carefully. Look who is behind switch. I think Lena prepared to turn on racket but (Eve)Hope did it at the end! What do you think about my short theory?
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Wow! Just realized, I've rewatched this week's episode 3.5 times already. I like it even better than the first time I watched. Says a lot about this season--me excited to re-watch each episode more than once. Haven't done that since season 1, to this extent. The way Melissa plays Kara during the Kara/Lena scene--WOW! She reverts back to the more innocent and naive Kara from season 1. It's especially noticeable at two parts--"Why didn't you come to me...." and..."Are you going to kill me?" So so well done. And, I specifically want to point out, that usually, when Kara is in the Supergirl suit, I see Supergirl. This was one time that I can think of where I saw Kara actually in the suit. Again, that's high praise for Melissa.
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I enjoyed Tremors alot...the Lena/Kara scenes have been the best of all seasons.

I would really like for the 2 to come to an understanding and then Lena rides off into the sunset.....but loving the drama this season.

Glad the Jonn family drama 6.0 is over, my hope is that "emo" Jonn is a thing of the past.

Loved sassy Supergirl this episode very much....I want to see more of that in the future.
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Pictures have revealed Lena to be working alongside Alex in the Supergirl episode of the Crisis crossover. This means 1 of 2 things. Either Lena comes to her senses and forgives Kara, at the end of this upcoming episode (Wrath of Rama Khan), or the Crisis begins, and Team Supergirl and Lena realize they need to work together, for the sake of survival.

Regardless, Kara knows about Lena's actions, now, and they aren't stretching that trope over the whole season, which is nice. As a result, the pacing, this year, has been so much better than last year. Not every episode is a winner, but things have been moving along nicely, these past few episodes.


I noticed those pictures. Team Super worked with Lillian to fight a bigger threat back in Season 2. It could go either way. I like not knowing yet. ?

The pacing has indeed made a big, big difference this year.
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Regardless, Kara knows about Lena's actions, now, and they aren't stretching that trope over the whole season, which is nice. As a result, the pacing, this year, has been so much better than last year. Not every episode is a winner, but things have been moving along nicely, these past few episodes.


I said the EXACT same thing to Kiwi the other day, Kdogg. They are doing a much better job at pacing things since season 1, in my opinion WAY better over last season, at least.
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Pictures have revealed Lena to be working alongside Alex in the Supergirl episode of the Crisis crossover. This means 1 of 2 things. Either Lena comes to her senses and forgives Kara, at the end of this upcoming episode (Wrath of Rama Khan), or the Crisis begins, and Team Supergirl and Lena realize they need to work together, for the sake of survival.

Regardless, Kara knows about Lena's actions, now, and they aren't stretching that trope over the whole season, which is nice. As a result, the pacing, this year, has been so much better than last year. Not every episode is a winner, but things have been moving along nicely, these past few episodes.
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I give Episode 7 'Tremors' a 6.5 out of 10 (or 4 out of 6 stars). There were some things I really enjoyed and some things I didn't. For something a little different this time here's how I gave my points to come to a score of 6.5, the acting in the episode took out a majority of the points.

+ 1 to the opening scene with Supergirl and J'onn, I love me these two and have really enjoyed watching their friendship develop over the course of the series.

+ 2 for Melissa

+ 1 for Jesse Rath

+ 1 for Katie McGrath

+ 1 for David Harewood and his scenes with Carl Lumbly (as J'onn's Father) and Phil La Marr (as J'onn's Brother)

+ 1 for the fight between Supergirl and Rama Khan, it was nice to see Supergirl use her intelligence (home advantage, loved that :) ) combined with her Superpowers to get the upper hand against R K

- 1 for Lena's assist in the fight with R K, I don't really need to see her in action and much rather it was Supergirl alone that sent R K away (like the way she did it solo against Mxy in Season 2).

+ 0.5 for a reference to my favourite season of the show Season 1 with Kara's comment about her Aunt Astra and Myriad.


One Final note - I really wish J'onn had a different story this season, I've certainly seen enough of his backstory and family history previously. Something more interesting would've been his now job as a Private Investigator which seems to have just about been forgotten about. Hopefully that will be something they'll explore post Crisis.
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Someone in a FB group I belong to posted this and I thought it was too funny not to share.

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Shoutouts to Katie’s first major role and the snickers ads that are running in comic books.
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Rewatching last week's episode right now. I actually liked it. And, I found myself really liking Andrea after it. She now feels like a sadly tragic person to me--she could have been great, but chose wrong, very very wrong. lol

One thing I just realized is helping to make this season great for me since season 1--not so many random aliens running around everywhere AND we're back at Noonan's. Having aliens everywhere, for me, made Supergirl and Superman AND J'onn feel less special, unique. They were starting to make the entire Earth feel like the cantina back on Tatooine. If I could have ANY change come from Crisis it would be THAT--aliens just being from Fort Rozz. I miss the feeling of being afraid of the "things that go bump in the night"-- like the Jailer episode where the FBI was trying to keep the "strange things" a secret.
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Confidence Woman was IMO necessary and not “filler”, we needed the backstory for Andrea/Acrata. I actually care about her now that there’s more to her than a horrible boss.


My thinking is Andrea's backstory could have been shown in say 2 to 3 minute scenes through the first 5 episodes (in replacement of some Alex/Kelly and Nia/Brainy relationship scenes thus not cutting into Melissa's screen-time) and that would've left Episode 6 as a Kara flashback episode. The best of the what I call Melissa-lite episodes in Seasons 2 to 5 was Season 3's Midvale as that was a story that focused on Kara. It should have been time for another one of those by now, way I figure if they can write some more backstory for J'onn like they've been doing in Season 5 there must be some more backstory that can be written for Kara. It is supposed to be her show after all.

I gave Confidence Woman a 6 out of 10 and all those points go to some nice Supergirl action (saving William, chasing Acrata away with her Freeze breath and quickly dealing with the 2 Spider enhanced DEO agents) and an excellent performance from Katie McGrath.


I hope the 100th episode is a bonkers fun one-off that lets the cast have fun and celebrate their achievement with the fans.


+100 on that Brierrose. Totally what it needs to be, I so hope it is.
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I feel like I can trust the writers more this season than I have since they moved to Vancouver. My only problem is, we have not had a solid FULL SEASON of this series. We get a solid half a season.....so there is a part of me that wonders when the table turns and the writing goes off the path and over the cliff.
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