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Good evening everyone. Let me start this post off by saying I am not equipped to handle this topic correctly or justly. I am going to tread as softly as I can and I would also like to note that any name-calling, anti-LGBT language or offense to the mandatory rules required to use this forum will be met with swift and appropriate consequences.

So with that said, I have noticed a growing divide in the Supergirl fandom this season and I need help understanding it. While this site and its users have kept things predominately fair and respectful, many other social media platforms seem to be pitting fans against each other for liking different aspects of the show.

Before I name sides and begin to try and find a reason behind the animosity lets name some of the changes that have happened between season 1 and season 2 first.

  • The Show has gained some characters and lost some characters.
  • The Show is on a new network.
  • The Show's survival isn't uncertain.
  • Supergirl.tv has grown to reach a larger audience.
  • Our social media presence has tripped since season one.

I want to illustrate these changes first because my perception of this fandom divide may have always been there and due to the above mentioned circumstances, I am just now becoming aware of it. But if these reasons are not the cause to my illumination then I am concerned.

Season 1 is different from season 2 for many reasons and that is just the nature of broadcast television. However, fans (and let me be clear I am not calling anyone out on this site) were more supportive. It felt like we were all an audience of a show that brought us together and we all shared a love for a growing hero's story. Despite plot-lines, rough early writing and power fluctuations, we all were able to comment on parts of the show we didn't like while still stating our love for the show.

Where has that gone?

In Season 2, the show has decided to cover more topics in a superheroes life some of which are more progressive leaning. A show with purpose and the platform to conquer tough issues while still maintaining its entertaining nature seems like a good thing, yet I feel we as fans are more divided than ever.

Put simply, if you like Maggie Sawyer and Alex Danver's relationship, why don't you like Mon-El? If you're a Lena supporter, why do you hate Guardian's screen-time? Why can't an episode be good if it doesn't have Cat Grant in it? Obviously these are all just examples of the absolutist feelings we are seeing out there. There are many other examples that don't need to be shared to illustrate my point.

Somewhere along the line sides were drawn and a solid fan-base became split. This is where things get very tricky for me. It's the reason I say I am not equipped to handle this topic and where I will choose to ask to be educated rather than seek a solution.

Appropriate and positive representation of the LGBT community on television has been lacking for many many years. There are legitimate concerns with how LGBT community members are portrayed in the media from stereotyping, senseless deaths, and even screen-time. Obviously the Maggie and Alex story-line falls into this category of LGBT representation in the media which is why begin to ask for clarity.

When did there become an attitude of absolution? Many of the comments I see on social media are of the nature that say "my view is right, yours is wrong and no one supports you because what I want is what everyone wants". In season 1 it felt like we were all able to say, "I didn't care for aspect X but I still enjoy the show and can afford that others may enjoy aspect X knowing that it still didn't resonate with me."

There are concerns here, however, for equality. Is a positive LGBT relationship being given appropriate screen-time to maintain its positive message? That is not for me to decide but can be a valuable reason to be concerned over screen-time. It however, shouldn't mean that other story-lines in the show shouldn't be told.

Perhaps I am letting social media get the better of me. Because of our site's growth, I am seeing exponentially more messages than I used to. Maybe this divide isn't really there and I am just succumbing to internet trolls. Trolls don't need to back up their absolutist declarations, they just submit them like breathing.

All in all, I just don't understand the new feelings of this fandom taking sides. The show has problems without a doubt, but it isn't bad enough that we need to take sides. Perhaps there are too many story-lines going on this season or too many new characters or even a lack of focus on an overarching season goal. But in the end can't we do like Kara did in Myriad and be stronger together?

I am not sure what its going to take to heal this fandom, or if it even needs to be healed or united but based solely on my perception, we were a united group of fans last season and it pains me to see this growing divide this year.

To clarify my point, I am in no way saying that I am disappointed in any of our very valued users here as you all have made this site's community a bright and caring group of people. I am reflecting more on what happens outside our proverbial site walls.

Do you have any ideas what can be done? ... El May Arah
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As an additional practical issue, last season it would have been far more difficult to have divisive subfandoms, because the number of characters who were prominent was less. In the pilot, other than Kara you might have had Miss Grant fandom (continuing character) or Vartox fandom (self-liquidating). The authors are moving toward a show with interwoven threads as opposed to Supergirl finds target. Supergirl smites target, so now there can be gentle readers who want one thread or another to get more air time and interviews.

Readers who were around in Fall 2015 will nonetheless remember that we had some really vigorous disputes on these pages.
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As an additional practical issue, last season it would have been far more difficult to have divisive subfandoms, because the number of characters who were prominent was less. In the pilot, other than Kara you might have had Miss Grant fandom (continuing character) or Vartox fandom (self-liquidating). The authors are moving toward a show with interwoven threads as opposed to Supergirl finds target. Supergirl smites target, so now there can be gentle readers who want one thread or another to get more air time and interviews.

Readers who were around in Fall 2015 will nonetheless remember that we had some really vigorous disputes on these pages.
I was here, and it was nothing like what we are seeing today, last season it was mostly the "sky is falling" group hovering over the ratings, and those that just wanted to enjoy the show. Or, those that were unhappy with some of the writing, other than that...there just wasn't much in the way of divisiveness. On twitter, it was fantastic, the fans on twitter save a few, again, "the sky is falling" people it was a great time to be had by all.

One thing I've noticed....and it just now hit me, there are a few from the "sky is falling" over the ratings that NOW that we already know there is a 3rd season, they are no where to be seen. Ehhhh.... *sighs*
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So is there a solution to this?. It seems most of the arguments/wars are over relationships, could they write an entire season (Season 3) without any relationships and focus on work/family and friends or are relationships such an essential part of filling out the time of an episode?.

I know it was a different time but if I think back to 70/80's Superhero shows like Wonder Woman, The Bionic Woman, The Six Million Dollar Man and The Incredible Hulk, they ran for multiple seasons without too much romance/relationships and were pretty much focused on their titular heroes all the time without the need for a big team behind them and additional heroes. Maybe Supergirl in Season 3 can get back to the Main 5 of Supergirl, Alex,MM, Winn and James.

Just a few ideas to throw out there anyway and discuss.

Well, i don't quite agree with you. I remember Wonder Woman having a "thing" with Steve Trevor ... both of them :o.
Jaime Sommers it was the long love story with Steve Austin and Chris Williams (season 3). Steve Austin with almost every woman that came in.
Hulk ok, it's like a real connection with all his pants that poor guy !

But i don't mind about the relationships, it's what people are doing with it the problem. The new characters are great, even if some aspect of the show has evolve without all the great things that made season 1, i'm curious to watch every week episode because the changes are cool for most of them.

One thing i've learn with the show runners, is that they always have plans (good ones) :)
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Well, it looks like some have figured out their own solution to this and it is #RESPECT SUPERGIRL CAST which I believe was trending last night. So pretty much stop with the name calling, fighting, etc, respect the cast and the hard work they are doing for our enjoyment.

Some still are miffed here and there, but it seems a fairly large group are wanting to move on from all of this.
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Here's my take:

Supergirl/Kara hasn't changed, really. As Kara, she's more assertive in her job and more outgoing with strangers. She's growing and maturing. She is the core of the show. Supergirl's kindness, strength, generosity, and unselfish heroism are what make the show a success.

I like Mon-El. He's also changing as a person, but due to Kara's influence. On some level which he is probably unaware, he wants to be a better person, one who is worthy of Kara. I find that wonderful in a man. Needless to say, I approve of Kara and Mon-El and want to see their relationship progress.

I like Alex and Maggie. Actually, I would like to see more of their relationship without the drama. Poor Alex deserves to be happy. The notion of a same-sex relationship in an action/adventure superhero show is very daring and the writers are doing it right. It was nice to read the article on how that storyline is changing lives for the better.

I wish that M'Gann hadn't left. J'onn deserves some happiness too. But without M'Gann, I worry that he will be sidelined as a character.

I don't mind Guardian, but I don't see the character evolving. It's nice to see Winn out in the field being the man in the van. And speaking of...

I like Winn's girlfriend Lyra. I think it's so cool that he's okay with her being physically stronger and the more assertive one. Not every man can be Dwayne the Rock Johnson.

To sum up: I'm fine with where the writers are taking us. If we just got a retread of season 1, the show would die. But people will disagree with the new characters and new plotlines. Social media have a tendency to bring out people's bad sides, which is the opposite of what Supergirl is about. I don't want Supergirl to be a Fort Rozz escapee of the week which Supergirl defeats in 42 minutes, flies home, and watches TV while eating pizza and potstickers.

I trust the writers to do good by our hero. I'm along for the ride, all the way. I DVR each episode, then I went on iTunes and bought a season pass for all the episodes and watch every one a third time on the CW app. Apparently the powers that be pay attention to statistics like that. I want Supergirl to thrive and do well. Sure I've nitpicked details like the over the knee flaps on her boots, but overall, I'm very happy with the show. I love Melissa and Chyler as actresses. Whoever cast them deserves a raise!

I miss Cat, because she was such a good strong character and Calista did such great work as the character. But maybe it's okay for Kara not to have a safety net to fall back on, that she has to deal with the nasty, uncouth, and negative Snapper on her own. It would be nice to see some of Kara's positivity rub off on him!

Finally, about Lena. I like that character as well. I'm glad that Kara has a female friend. Aside from Alex, all her friends are men. So kudos to somebody for realizing that detail.
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seems chyler is speaking up to fans as well here are a couple tweets from her

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basically with in 24 hours of each other. I'd say she is a little low key disappointed
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seems chyler is speaking up to fans as well here are a couple tweets from her

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basically with in 24 hours of each other. I'd say she is a little low key disappointed

Maybe we should show her this thread. Its been thoughtful, respectful, and hopefully healing in some way. I think the vast majority of community here are very respectful and kind. Good fans and good thoughts shared. Ultimately if we can all agree to be fans that live by the motto I shared, I think we will all be able to enjoy the show!

Possible new site motto (I'm still thinking about it): "Continue to love the parts of the show you love, love them passionately and get lost in the majesty of it all. But know that what makes this show great for some isn't true for all. Be kind, be thoughtful and allow all to enjoy every aspect not by tearing down what you don't like, but by raising up the parts you do."
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Supergirl.tv Admin stated:

"Maybe we should show her this thread. Its been thoughtful, respectful, and hopefully healing in some way. I think the vast majority of community here are very respectful and kind. Good fans and good thoughts shared. Ultimately if we can all agree to be fans that live by the motto I shared, I think we will all be able to enjoy the show!"

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Just to give an example of a little of what is happening. There was a poster that was railing about the screen time of Mon-El on Monday night. I posted in a tweet that I was enjoying both couples and that I looked at Kara and Mo-Nel's relationship as fireworks and Alex and Maggie's relationship as a warm fire. Meaning, I loved both of the relationships just in different ways. Well, the making fun of tweets started as in her first "would someone please translate this for me, blah, blah, blah." so as with the others I simply muted her. I would love to have conversations with everyone about the show, but you can't right now. :(
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Please don't conveniently confuse those who are critical of writing choices on the show with those who spend their time attacking celebrities (for a variety of reasons apparently) on social media.
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Please don't conveniently confuse those who are critical of writing choices on the show with those who spend their time attacking celebrities (for a variety of reasons apparently) on social media.



Hi, Lindy. Please explain further so we can fully understand your concerns.

I don't think the admin and many of us in this thread are concerned with people being critical of writing choices. I believe what the concern is, we've seen a huge spike in fandoms venomously attacking others who disagree with them, fandoms venomously making fun of other fans not in their "group," as well as us seeing a huge spike in tweets and comments throughout social media that are just plain coarse and vulgar. And thus, we've been seeing a major split widening in the Supergirl fanbase, which has been disheartening to witness, especially since the Supergirl fanbase use to be very inclusive, welcoming, and "one team" oriented.
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Please don't conveniently confuse those who are critical of writing choices on the show with those who spend their time attacking celebrities (for a variety of reasons apparently) on social media.



If you are speaking in reference to my post, it actually had nothing to do with the complaint of screen time itself, that was simply what I was responding to with my reply tweet to them...it was their reaction, and reaction of others that I was referring to. If people don't like Mon-El and don't like the ST being given to them, that is their opinion, but I think that I and others should be able to give our opinion as well, or simply make a comment as I did should be able to be given without a comment back that in some cases are very rude, very crude, and very unacceptable in a normal conversation between two people. ANY thing that I have spoken of in this thread is the reactionary replies on Twitter that I am seeing from "groups" of people, not because of their opinion, but their reaction to people who do not share their opinion. That's all. :)
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