Supergirl S3 E7 "Wakeup:" Discussion and Review

I wonder if Kara's necklace means something more to the narrative.

When kara saw and grabbed it monel sort of yanked it back from her and tucked it back in his shirt. So I can't help but wonder if it's pertinent to something else going on in the storyline.

Interesting. It was really weird how he reacted to her touching it; as if it is his and not hers.

I am not saying I didn't like him. I did. But, the lying was very wrong. Poor Kara.

Exactly! It has to mean something more, it just has to.

I wasn't fond of the lying either. Hopefully we're done with that from here on moving forward.

the lying was likely from not knowing what he can and cant say since he has been in the future.

I wonder if Kara's necklace means something more to the narrative.

When kara saw and grabbed it monel sort of yanked it back from her and tucked it back in his shirt. So I can't help but wonder if it's pertinent to something else going on in the storyline.

Interesting. It was really weird how he reacted to her touching it; as if it is his and not hers.

I am not saying I didn't like him. I did. But, the lying was very wrong. Poor Kara.

Exactly! It has to mean something more, it just has to.

I wasn't fond of the lying either. Hopefully we're done with that from here on moving forward.

the lying was likely from not knowing what he can and cant say since he has been in the future.

And then, he goes ahead and says everything at the end anyways. So, not much of a determent was it?

He should have told her initially that he has a wife and that he needs to save her and that the ship is failing, so their lives may be in danger--he is not giving any "future" secrets away by that. [There is no question that she would have helped him. Hell, she helped him when she was full of doubts about his intent and he had just tricked Winn into taking him to the ship behind her back (Winn! For once, take Kara's side.).]

Instead, he goes around her and then tries to use Winn. How is that excusable? I really don't understand this.

I mean, I am interested to see how Kara deals with all of this and how hers and Mon El's new relationship develops, and I hope they end up friends. But no. He is still not the ideal hero.

I don't mind if he isn't. He needn't be. It'd be great if the show and especially his fans acknowledged that though. (Instead, if they just used it to create unnecessary drama in order to forget it later, that would be sad.)

I wonder if Kara's necklace means something more to the narrative.

When kara saw and grabbed it monel sort of yanked it back from her and tucked it back in his shirt. So I can't help but wonder if it's pertinent to something else going on in the storyline.

Interesting. It was really weird how he reacted to her touching it; as if it is his and not hers.

I am not saying I didn't like him. I did. But, the lying was very wrong. Poor Kara.

Exactly! It has to mean something more, it just has to.

I wasn't fond of the lying either. Hopefully we're done with that from here on moving forward.

the lying was likely from not knowing what he can and cant say since he has been in the future.

And then, he goes ahead and says everything at the end anyways. So, not much of a determent was it?

He should have told her initially that he has a wife and that he needs to save her and that the ship is failing, so their lives may be in danger--he is not giving any "future" secrets away by that. [There is no question that she would have helped him. Hell, she helped him when she was full of doubts about his intent and he had just tricked Winn into taking him to the ship behind her back (Winn! For once, take Kara's side.).]

Instead, he goes around her and then tries to use Winn. How is that excusable? I really don't understand this.

I mean, I am interested to see how Kara deals with all of this and how hers and Mon El's new relationship develops, and I hope they end up friends. But no. He is still not the ideal hero.

I don't mind if he isn't. He needn't be. It'd be great if the show and especially his fans acknowledged that though. (Instead, if they just used it to create unnecessary drama in order to forget it later, that would be sad.)

I only offered a suggestion as to why, I didnt realize I was unwelcome in this conversation.

Let's not let conflict arise over something like this shall we? Why is it always Mon-El?

I wonder if Kara's necklace means something more to the narrative.

When kara saw and grabbed it monel sort of yanked it back from her and tucked it back in his shirt. So I can't help but wonder if it's pertinent to something else going on in the storyline.

Interesting. It was really weird how he reacted to her touching it; as if it is his and not hers.

I am not saying I didn't like him. I did. But, the lying was very wrong. Poor Kara.

Exactly! It has to mean something more, it just has to.

I wasn't fond of the lying either. Hopefully we're done with that from here on moving forward.

the lying was likely from not knowing what he can and cant say since he has been in the future.

And then, he goes ahead and says everything at the end anyways. So, not much of a determent was it?

He should have told her initially that he has a wife and that he needs to save her and that the ship is failing, so their lives may be in danger--he is not giving any "future" secrets away by that. [There is no question that she would have helped him. Hell, she helped him when she was full of doubts about his intent and he had just tricked Winn into taking him to the ship behind her back (Winn! For once, take Kara's side.).]

Instead, he goes around her and then tries to use Winn. How is that excusable? I really don't understand this.

I mean, I am interested to see how Kara deals with all of this and how hers and Mon El's new relationship develops, and I hope they end up friends. But no. He is still not the ideal hero.

I don't mind if he isn't. He needn't be. It'd be great if the show and especially his fans acknowledged that though. (Instead, if they just used it to create unnecessary drama in order to forget it later, that would be sad.)

I only offered a suggestion as to why, I didnt realize I was unwelcome in this conversation.

You are not! And I am sorry that you felt that. That I made you feel that. I should not have said that bit at the end. No excuses to offer. Everyone is entitled to a bias towards their favourite characters and defend them and see things from their POV. And everyone is even more entitled to give reasons irrespective of whether they are defending a character or not.

I do it all the time with Kara (and at times, Alex) even though their actions could be perceived as questionable--are some times questionable.

Again, I apologise that I did this. I look forward to the story just as anybody. And, I'd be more careful in the future.

why arew the writers deliberately ignoring DC comics and Legion of Super-Heroes history.

It's a good decision on their part. Why can't Kryptonians fly in outer space, as they could in the 1950s?

I wonder if Kara's necklace means something more to the narrative.

When kara saw and grabbed it monel sort of yanked it back from her and tucked it back in his shirt. So I can't help but wonder if it's pertinent to something else going on in the storyline.

It didn't come off to me as its mine not yours. It came off to me as that was the one thing that kept him alive and moving forward. Then within that 7 years he falls in love, and from what I could garner, had told Saturn Girl everything about Kara and what she meant to him, I think Saturn Girl may feel indebted to Kara for helping Mon-el become the man he is today. And that necklace is like his heroes heart so to speak, so he feels that if someone takes it away, it takes away what Kara gave him in becoming the hero he is today.

And good grief, how tragic is the Reign story. Sam thought she was going to be given this wonderful gift like Supergirl, and the hero that her daughter wanted her to be so badly, and instead .................................. just wow. The writers this season are really unafraid of just cutting to the quick.

I wonder if Kara's necklace means something more to the narrative.

When kara saw and grabbed it monel sort of yanked it back from her and tucked it back in his shirt. So I can't help but wonder if it's pertinent to something else going on in the storyline.

It didn't come off to me as its mine not yours. It came off to me as that was the one thing that kept him alive and moving forward. Then within that 7 years he falls in love, and from what I could garner, had told Saturn Girl everything about Kara and what she meant to him, I think Saturn Girl may feel indebted to Kara for helping Mon-el become the man he is today. And that necklace is like his heroes heart so to speak, so he feels that if someone takes it away, it takes away what Kara gave him in becoming the hero he is today.

And good grief, how tragic is the Reign story. Sam thought she was going to be given this wonderful gift like Supergirl, and the hero that her daughter wanted her to be so badly, and instead .................................. just wow. The writers this season are really unafraid of just cutting to the quick.

Agreed, she wanted to be a hero so badly, you could see it in her face. And when she learned that she was going to be a villain instead, that she was the product of evil scientists...you could see she wanted to get out of there. But the programming had already activated. And I was cheering for her to try to break through the programming, my heart broke when she stood up and said "i have awoken" in a robotic voice. Sam deserves none of it, she's a good person...and if she ever awakens she'll have to deal with the fallout of having hurt people. Damn. I want to see Sam metaphorically defeat Reign now, although I'm sure that will only happen in the finale.

I wonder if Kara's necklace means something more to the narrative.

When kara saw and grabbed it monel sort of yanked it back from her and tucked it back in his shirt. So I can't help but wonder if it's pertinent to something else going on in the storyline.

It didn't come off to me as its mine not yours. It came off to me as that was the one thing that kept him alive and moving forward. Then within that 7 years he falls in love, and from what I could garner, had told Saturn Girl everything about Kara and what she meant to him, I think Saturn Girl may feel indebted to Kara for helping Mon-el become the man he is today. And that necklace is like his heroes heart so to speak, so he feels that if someone takes it away, it takes away what Kara gave him in becoming the hero he is today.

I completely agree that it means a lot to him. But the way he jerked it away evokes (to me at least) a sense of 'don't' to kara.
He told kara how much it means to him. And he spoke so reverently about it so I know it means a great deal to him, but I still can't get past the way he practically yanked it back from her.

If I'm wrong and it isn't anything else then I strongly believe he should give it back to kara. It served its purpose for him but now it's time to return it.

I wonder if Kara's necklace means something more to the narrative.

When kara saw and grabbed it monel sort of yanked it back from her and tucked it back in his shirt. So I can't help but wonder if it's pertinent to something else going on in the storyline.

It didn't come off to me as its mine not yours. It came off to me as that was the one thing that kept him alive and moving forward. Then within that 7 years he falls in love, and from what I could garner, had told Saturn Girl everything about Kara and what she meant to him, I think Saturn Girl may feel indebted to Kara for helping Mon-el become the man he is today. And that necklace is like his heroes heart so to speak, so he feels that if someone takes it away, it takes away what Kara gave him in becoming the hero he is today.

I completely agree that it means a lot to him. But the way he jerked it away evokes (to me at least) a sense of 'don't' to kara.
He told kara how much it means to him. And he spoke so reverently about it so I know it means a great deal to him, but I still can't get past the way he practically yanked it back from her.

If I'm wrong and it isn't anything else then I strongly believe he should give it back to kara. It served its purpose for him but now it's time to return it.

I think it holds a greater purpose at the moment....I have some thoughts on that, but will not discuss them at this moment. I will however before the end of the season. Because I think it holds a huge purpose later on. Of course my speculations very seldom come true, but I have a good one now and again.

Just remember, he is from the future, so he knows far more than what he has said. I think he married Saturn Girl, after something happens in the future, and I will leave it at that.....

This episode drove home my utter readiness for Reign to fully evolve and to see Supergirl in action for more than just a quick moment or two. Because we've had multiple, back-to-back episodes that focused more on characters than action, this episode just seemed very slow though there was a lot going on in it.

Sam's story was the more compelling one of the episode for me. Odette really sold me on Sam's plight as she took the viewer on the roller-coaster ride of emotions throughout the episode. Though, I'm not sure I would have been as brave as her and test out a theory of having powers by plunging my hand into boiling water .

I enjoyed finding more about her history with her mom and I'm not ready to condemn her mom as we don't really know the whole history there. Like many parents, it sounded like her mom had good intentions with Sam. She knew Sam was probably not human and still she took her in and tried to give Sam a normal life. Her reaction to Sam getting pregnant was obviously not the best but, I think it resulted from a combination of not knowing what was going to happen with the birth of possibly an alien child and wanting to keep the ramifications of Sam's history from harming Sam. Really, it is not unlike the Danvers trying to protect Kara.

It's sad to think that the interaction between Sam and Ruby may be the last 'normal' interchange between mother and daughter. I feel bad for Ruby and for Sam but, am excited to see Reign in all her glory. The switch to Reign could have been more of a gradual one but, perhaps it is to show us that it can be turned off at some point or, at the other extreme, that underneath it all, it is really who she is and there is no going back.

The Mon-El story was probably the weakest part of the episode for me. I thought it was a bit rushed and forced some errors in writing as a result. Just like Odette though, Melissa did an excellent job of taking us for a ride of emotions.

I wonder if Kara's necklace means something more to the narrative.

When kara saw and grabbed it monel sort of yanked it back from her and tucked it back in his shirt. So I can't help but wonder if it's pertinent to something else going on in the storyline.

I think it holds a greater purpose at the moment....I have some thoughts on that, but will not discuss them at this moment. I will however before the end of the season. Because I think it holds a huge purpose later on. Of course my speculations very seldom come true, but I have a good one now and again.

Like you, Kelly, many times my speculations don't come true but, that's okay. It's fun to do it anyway. Btw, I still think your speculation about Reign having a genetic connection to Kara is a very real possibility.

Regarding Mon-El/Saturn Girl relationship and the necklace, my prediction is that Supergirl doesn't live in the fight against Reign in the timeline that Mon-El and Saturn Girl come from. That possibly is the reason why Mon-El moved on from Kara and also why the necklace is of importance. My guess at the moment is that the necklace is a key to defeating Reign. I think that Alura knew about Reign's existence before Krypton was destroyed so, she worked on creating a mechanism that would defeat her. When she discovered that Krypton was going to be destroyed, she put the device into the form of Kara's necklace. She gave it to Kara as Kara was being shipped off because she knew Reign's true purpose. Her directive for Kara to protect Kal-El wasn't just because he was a baby but, because she knew of Reign's threat.

Mon-El somehow found out about the true nature of the necklace and because he knows that SG doesn't survive her fight, he needs to hold onto it to complete Reign's destruction. That's why he was so quick to grab it back from Kara's hands and why he didn't offer to give it back to her.

That's my hypothesis. I have absolutely no evidence to back it up and it's most likely not going to be proven to be true but, hey, that's why it's called a hypothesis

I wonder if Kara's necklace means something more to the narrative.

When kara saw and grabbed it monel sort of yanked it back from her and tucked it back in his shirt. So I can't help but wonder if it's pertinent to something else going on in the storyline.

I think it holds a greater purpose at the moment....I have some thoughts on that, but will not discuss them at this moment. I will however before the end of the season. Because I think it holds a huge purpose later on. Of course my speculations very seldom come true, but I have a good one now and again.

Like you, Kelly, many times my speculations don't come true but, that's okay. It's fun to do it anyway. Btw, I still think your speculation about Reign having a genetic connection to Kara is a very real possibility.

Regarding Mon-El/Saturn Girl relationship and the necklace, my prediction is that Supergirl doesn't live in the fight against Reign in the timeline that Mon-El and Saturn Girl come from. That possibly is the reason why Mon-El moved on from Kara and also why the necklace is of importance. My guess at the moment is that the necklace is a key to defeating Reign. I think that Alura knew about Reign's existence before Krypton was destroyed so, she worked on creating a mechanism that would defeat her. When she discovered that Krypton was going to be destroyed, she put the device into the form of Kara's necklace. She gave it to Kara as Kara was being shipped off because she knew Reign's true purpose. Her directive for Kara to protect Kal-El wasn't just because he was a baby but, because she knew of Reign's threat.

Mon-El somehow found out about the true nature of the necklace and because he knows that SG doesn't survive her fight, he needs to hold onto it to complete Reign's destruction. That's why he was so quick to grab it back from Kara's hands and why he didn't offer to give it back to her.

That's my hypothesis. I have absolutely no evidence to back it up and it's most likely not going to be proven to be true but, hey, that's why it's called a hypothesis

I've actually seen this theory floating around a bit on twitter. Seems many people are on the same wave length as you.

I've actually seen this theory floating around a bit on twitter. Seems many people are on the same wave length as you.

Here I thought that I was proposing an original premise. Thanks for bursting that bubble, DraftingDrafter

One of the best lines of the series in this episode. When Mon-El reminded Kara of her almost inhaling the ribs and Kara replied "It was a limited time offer" .

That was quite funny. The irony is that with Kara around, all food should be considered a limited time offer for EVERYONE ELSE.

I've actually seen this theory floating around a bit on twitter. Seems many people are on the same wave length as you.

Here I thought that I was proposing an original premise. Thanks for bursting that bubble, DraftingDrafter

One of the best lines of the series in this episode. When Mon-El reminded Kara of her almost inhaling the ribs and Kara replied "It was a limited time offer" .

That was quite funny. The irony is that with Kara around, all food should be considered a limited time offer for EVERYONE ELSE.

That was actually my speculation as well, but I didn't want to spoil it for anyone.......so I was going to hold off for a while ..... oh well.

So is Ruby half Kyptonian and half human? The last exchange Sam and Ruby had was Sam telling Ruby that she was about to discover something wonderful about herself and not to worry. Unfortunately, the something wonderful has turned into something tragic for Ruby.

As for Kara regretting having loved with a human heart, didn't her parents love one another as a married couple and didn't they love Kara as her parents? Are Kyptonian hearts (love) different than a human's?

So is Ruby half Kyptonian and half human? The last exchange Sam and Ruby had was Sam telling Ruby that she was about to discover something wonderful about herself and not to worry. Unfortunately, the something wonderful has turned into something tragic for Ruby.

As for Kara regretting having loved with a human heart, didn't her parents love one another as a married couple and didn't they love Kara as her parents? Are Kyptonian hearts (love) different than a human's?

in many iterations kryptonians are portrayed almost Vulcan like. (please someone correct me if I am wrong)

So is Ruby half Kyptonian and half human? The last exchange Sam and Ruby had was Sam telling Ruby that she was about to discover something wonderful about herself and not to worry. Unfortunately, the something wonderful has turned into something tragic for Ruby.

As for Kara regretting having loved with a human heart, didn't her parents love one another as a married couple and didn't they love Kara as her parents? Are Kyptonian hearts (love) different than a human's?

I think so, Ruby is half human half krypto-worldkiller. But she won't get the powers until she comes of age I dont think. But thankfully it won't be to the point of the brainwashing bc the evil scientists didnt prepare for her lol

Rewatching right now, and something Mon-El just said hit me. In the cell, he tells Winn if he doesn't get back to the ship people will get hurt...Kara will get hurt. Pretty sure he's referencing Reign... maybe? Hmmm... me thinks the Daxamite knows things.

Oh and... As heartbreaking as it is knowing Kara is in pain and confused... I bet that's ALL gonna go away when Mon-El dons his suit for the first time, ESPECIALLY if this version is sporting the House Of El insignia somewhere on it. THEN we'll see exactly what Kara ultimately did for him--be the mentor it was foretold she would be.

So, why did the ship go back to 12000 years before present day? At the time, humans were probably hunter gatherers still. And.. how on earth did it end up below the sea?

May be the ship had a faulty time jumping mechanism?

Also, I read a Chyler Leigh interview that said the crossover took 3 weeks. Even with shut down days, it seems a lot of extra days to me; which could explain the lack of Kara and Alex time in this episode--compared to Sam and the addition of J'onn-M'yrnn. I don't mean the sisters time by the way. I just felt there was less of Kara.

I'd love to see J'onn's dad interact with others. Especially Kara and Alex (may be during the Christmas episode).

Given the speculation is that Eliza contributed to Reign somehow, it'd be great if the necklace had a greater purpose than as a reminder. I am thinking it does.

Are there more world killers elsewhere in the Universe? Will they all come down here to Earth? I know there are in comics; but what is the plan here? With Legion involved, just one Reign seems a little overkill.

Does the Legion travel the universe? Or, are they limited to the Solar System?

The genetics thing is applicable for all world killers (how did that lady know the name of the future by the way; is she really a witch as someone says?). In which case, the moral quandary is not in what happens now, but what happened before--in how they were created. Is creating someone, giving someone life, just to take their choices away in the future, or with very little choices, the right thing to do?

PS: I am going to enjoy the show for what it is rather than what I want it to be from now on. I really like Melissa, so it should not be hard. As J'onn and his dad says, take the pleasure in the beauty that is still in life. Why focus on the negatives? They may not even be negatives in someone else's viewpoint.