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So, I've been thinking about Supergirl's first 2 seasons.

Don't get me wrong. I loved them. But something has been lacking. A REAL threat to Supergirl.

I'd love a really big fight between Supergirl and Reign. This series has sorely lacked REAL physical threats against Supergirl, and that's exactly the type of possibility Reign could present.

Season one just didn't have the right fight choreographers or budget, due to CBS and filming in LA. That's why half our fights were heat vision based. Season two had marked improvements in production quality and fight choreography. But all the "big threats" went down too easy. The cage fight in S2e4, "Survivors", could have been good, but it was barely a fight at all. There was real peril with Parasite, and how he drained both Supergirl and J'onn, but again, not really a fight. Just a quick draining scene. And in both of those episodes, when Kara has her second encounters with the villains, she beats them instantly...it just doesn't emphasize that they were ever a real threat to the Girl of Steel.

The fights with Henshaw in "The Darkest Places" and Superman in the S2 finale came close. The latter far more than the former.

I'm looking for a threat that's equivalent to how Merlin/Arrow's or Ra's/Arrow's first encounter, or the first fight between Flash/Reverse Flash, or Flash/Zoom.

In all of those examples, the hero was defeated. Overwhelmingly. But this set the tone for the rest of the season. It established just how dangerous their villains were, and how far the heroes had come when they defeated them in their season finales.

The best example, to me, is Flash/Zoom's first encounter. It was brutal. I'll admit it. But as savage as Barry's defeat was, it really showed, for the rest of the season, how Zoom was basically the "boogeyman". Barry really hesitated to get back in the saddle, so to speak, and it was a season long struggle of figuring out the best way to handle the threat.

Of course, in the end, we want our heroine to win. But those wins, in my opinion, just aren't as awesome as those of her male counterparts, until the villains are shown to be just as threatening to her as Merlin or Ra's was to Oliver, and Zoom or Reverse Flash was to Barry.

There is also the issue of Kara's enemies, who are supposedly super powered, constantly running away when Alex or the DEO show up with standard issue firearms that shouldn't be able to harm them. It really downplays how much of a threat they should really be, or why they needed Kara in the first place.

I'd like to hear your thoughts. Would you like to see a scenario where Supergirl is defeated, at first, emphasizing Reign's threat, only for our Girl of Steel to win a rematch in the season finale?
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Gentlemen expand your definition of a villain beating up the hero to include psychological damage. If you include psychological damage then even though she’s dead Rhea has succeeded in beating Kara up pretty good. Finding ways to do physical damage to Kryptonians, especially without always resorting to Kryptonite, has been a challenge for comic book writers for decades.

To add to Brierrose's point here though, a great villain doesn't necessarily need to be a direct physical threat to the hero.

Consider the villain from 2.19 - Alex. He's just an average guy, but he challenges Kara in a way greater than many of the physical threats did last season.

Consider season 1 Flash's villain (who I personally consider the best of Flash's villains so far). He and Barry don't actually tangle physically until the very end, but throughout the season he's the devious unseen villain hiding in plain sight, manipulating Barry to his own ends.

Or, consider someone like The Joker. He can't stand up to Batman physically, but his other 'qualities' level the playing field.


Part of the problem with the Supers (and J'onn, for that matter) is that they're basically physically unbeatable. They have one or two very specific weaknesses; J'onn is weak to fire (at least in comics) and Kryptonians are vulnerable to kryptonite and magic. Nothing else really fazes them. That's part of the reason why Supergirl's villains are so...what's the phrase.....physically unimposing. For the most part, they can't physically threaten Kara. We've seen Livewire do some damage with her electricity, and Siobhan threw Kara out a window the first time she used her Banshee Scream, but for the most part Kara still had the upper hand.

This is why I think Reign will be such a wonderful villain: She can cause actual physical damage to Kara and beat her bloody, unlike most other baddies.
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To add to Brierrose's point here though, a great villain doesn't necessarily need to be a direct physical threat to the hero.

Consider the villain from 2.19 - Alex. He's just an average guy, but he challenges Kara in a way greater than many of the physical threats did last season.

Consider season 1 Flash's villain (who I personally consider the best of Flash's villains so far). He and Barry don't actually tangle physically until the very end, but throughout the season he's the devious unseen villain hiding in plain sight, manipulating Barry to his own ends.

Or, consider someone like The Joker. He can't stand up to Batman physically, but his other 'qualities' level the playing field.


All very good points. But you're forgetting...Reverse Flash DID beat Barry down, mid season. It was the Christmas episode. Reverse Flash only retreated once Firestorm came on the scene.

As I said, my hopes are high for Reign. We'll just have to see what happens.
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