SG and BW ratings thus far...

Supergirl.tv Admin wrote:

"Also for those saying Supergirl needs to end so they can make their DCEU Movie, Why wasn't Smallville axed when Brandon Routh's Superman returns was made."

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Actually, that is quite simple: Smallville was always touted as a Clark Kent coming-of-age story and not a Superman one. For 10 years just before the suit reveal in the last episode, the story was touted as Clark's adventures in Smallville (hence, the title). He never wore the suit until the very end (2011), way after Superman Returns (2006) was shown. Both were treated as very separate entities and only made passing, indirect reference to one-another after SR ended its theatrical run.

As for the DCEU not making movies and TV shows with the same titular characters while one is being shown in one medium or another, this makes sense in order for fans to make firm distinctions between them. If SG is still on the air when the movie is supposed to be shown, it will create a viewer's nightmare/conundrum in the sense that you would have two vastly different interpretations of the same character going at the same time. See the disaster the last Justice League movie was when they had the Flash on both TV and on the movie screen at the same time. Does anyone truly remember the movie version of him anymore?

I will give you an example of DC's recent mixed up logic: Michael Rosenbaum played the teen/young adult version of Lex Luthor in Smallville as Clark Kent's friend/foe/foil. In Superman Returns, Kevin Spacey played the adult version of him as Brandon Routh's Superman nemesis. A clear character distinction was made. In the most recent Justice League film, that distinction was lost with some of the characters. This is part of the reason why the DCEU is in disarray at the moment. Oil and water don't mix, so to speak.

Good thing overnights don't matter.

Batwoman seems to have stabilized for the moment, but Supergirl dropped again.

I'm wondering if there is less shared audience between the two than was presumed. They are very different in tone.

Side note: If CW releases streaming data for its app, I remain unaware of it. That would provide a more complete picture.

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Don't expect them to do that. That would be violating trade secrets and actually be more indicative of how things are really going.

So, thus far, Season 5 live viewership has declined in comparison to Season 4 and prior (as have other shows), but might be saved by the on-demand and delayed viewings. Maybe yes, maybe no. Once COIE is done in early January, it will be telling if the show is renewed for S6 (and, more importantly, when).

All that is for certain at this point is that the show's main story arc has not resonated with the viewers the way they've (the showrunners and writers) anticipated. Cobble that together with the other factors (the new, but already hashed out, changes for S5) and it appears that the show is falling out of favour with various key demographics. The under 35 crowd isn't interested in the show and the over 35 crowd is frustrated and upset by the changes. So far, in my books, they're batting 1000% (as in; big swings, big misses).

Methinks, a large but long overdue shakeup is in the offing, and the smartest person in the entire room (including the actors, crews, showrunners, EPs, WB and CW brass, etc.) is the actor who will be departing come mid-season.

Just my two cents.

A lot of uninformed people here in this thread. SG is airing on the toughest timeslot of any CW show. Its airing against Sunday Night Football, Walking Dead, Cables Big Hits, all the usual competition from regular network tv too. Most of Shows on CW from weaker timeslot get what SG get on Sundays. Imagine what they would get on sundays at 9 against so much competition. Batwoman only face the beginning of Sunday Night Football. Its also having it easier.
SG Will end when Melissa want the show to end. Its delayed viewing is one of the Best right now too. Putting it on 3-4 place only behind Flash, Batwoman and sometimes Riverdale. SPN and Arrow is ending.

Tired of this baseless fear mongering.

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You're certainly permitted to have your opinions, but do provide concrete evidence to the contrary. Do inform us otherwise. Please clear up our faulty findings.

Kindly provide on-demand stats and delayed viewing stats (the L+3's and L+7's are in for eps.1, 2, 3) and any other relevant information to back your position. If you are from the network or the show, you should have these available at your fingertips. If you aren't, then your conjecture is equally speculative and potentially more baseless than ours.

In fairness, you might not like this thread, and that's fine. If so, please move on to something else.

Season 4 was a train wreck (saved only by Melissa and Jon Cryer's performances) and Season 5, thus far, hasn't fared any better. The show so far in S5 has been fed to the wolves. 900k and less viewers, and dropping weekly isn't a very good omen. That's straight to Netflix / HBO territory.

And, yes, to agree with your position that the show will go on as long as Melissa wants it to. It's the CW's way of keeping stale, unpalatable products on the shelf by fiddling with the numbers. Both Arrow and the Flash are past their Best By dates by at least two to three seasons each (only being saved by COIE). LOT is virtually unwatchable, and Batwoman is struggling hard to attract viewers (especially among the "shipper" crowds) despite being the CW's new "Golden Girl" show.

Regardless of the night the shows are airing, there is a profound waning interest across the general viewership board in them. That's a bankable truism.

Both shows have been solid after the initial drop, at 0.3 and 0.2.

If I was a CW exec, I would take those numbers on a given weeknight. For Sunday night, they are even better.

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Which proves the famous quote (mistakenly) attributed to P.T. Barnum is bang-on accurate. Care for another round of Kool-Aid?!