SG and BW ratings thus far...

The upcoming Supergirl movie might change things completely. I'm a fiction writer, and my novels based upon The Phantom of the Opera sold like hotcakes after the movie came out. It might be that when the Supergirl movie comes out, viewership of Supergirl on The CW will increase. Any thoughts?
Check out this link for info about the movie: https://screenrant.com/supergirl-movie-filming-2020/

If that movie happens, it's likely at least 2 years away. Probably more. Nobody has been attached to direct, there has been no casting news, and the news of a writer was well over a year ago, now. My point being that there is no guarantee Supergirl will still be on the air, if and when that movie happens. Look at The Flash. That solo movie was announced during season 1 of the show, and has been in limbo, ever since.

When it comes to DC's movies, I frankly don't believe anything's getting made until it starts filming.

Both shows have been solid after the initial drop, at 0.3 and 0.2.

If I was a CW exec, I would take those numbers on a given weeknight. For Sunday night, they are even better.

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Which proves the famous quote (mistakenly) attributed to P.T. Barnum is bang-on accurate. Care for another round of Kool-Aid?!

Considering there is not a scripted show on Sunday nights that is getting above a 0.8, not sure anyone is drinking Kool-aid, unless it is those that believe Live viewing numbers are giving them real data.

The article is obviously slanted, but the numbers seem to match what I've seen elsewhere.

How much that matters? Charmed premiered with 0.2. Dynasty premiered with a 0.1. Granted that was on Friday’s "Slots of Zero Expectations," but kdogg87 is correct. Overnights don't matter all that much in terms of renewal. They can serve as an overall gauge of interest, however--and BW lost a good chunk off the bat. (heh heh) That is kind of normal, though. Not everyone that checks a hyped new show out finds it to their liking. (I certainly didn't. After two episodes, I'm pretty confident in saying it just isn't my thing.)

In general, live TV ratings have eroded across the board. On the CW, a typical show (i.e., not "The Flash" seems to be doing just fine if it remains within 0.1 or so of its previous year. I suspect SG is in no real danger.

Realistically, I think many people who would have left over SG's political/social take likely did so during season 2, which IRRC, suffered a larger than ususal dropoff over the course of the year. I think the remaining audience is either on board with the messaging or has a fair degree of tolerance for opposing viewpoints.

The sky is not (yet) falling for either of the Sunday shows.

kdogg, you're right. We are only TWO episodes into this season. Let's see about 1/4 of the way...episode 5 or 6

But, Rom also brings up this...

Admittedly and truthfully, alienating a portion of the fanbase on a consistent basis is certainly a way to lose viewership.

I think in the minds of some fans, there is still some remnants of season 4 and its in essence promoting of open borders and so-called "tolerance" done in a ham handed way, and to some the taste is so sour, they have given up.

That said, the article may be clickbait...and I myself will not go to it.

@Romulus, I think that the issues with Justice League go way deeper than different interpretations of some same characters.

Totally on point. Seemed to me like there were different interpretations of the same characters within the movie.

From what I've been hearing about DC Comics and their own internal relationships, there is a major growth effort get more teams talking and more characters shared. Think of Crisis, we will literally be seeing multiple version of Superman and I think the audience is excited for it, not confused by it.

I think general audiences (i.e., not just comic book nerds like me) are more sophisticated and willing to accept things like multiverses, alternate timelines, and just different interpretations of a character than they were, say, 10 years ago. The Phoenix Joker standalone is proof of that I think, coming relatively soon after Leto's take in Suicide Squad.

Fun anecdote told to press only at NYCC (which Kelsey and I have a representative at, ha, we're growing), Warner Brothers TV was developing a Joker origin story show and didn't know DC Entertainment was developing a Joker origin story movie. This really started the new push for internal communication and a renewed want to share characters and allow new interpretations. Harley Quinn's animated show will really push boundaries in a new way.

As a longtime fan of both characters, I gotta say--I'm kinda "Joker-and-Harleyed" out.

Romulus they Can easily be optained on programinsider.com. Its not an opinion its FACTS.

Its nr 3-4 of ALL their shows. I know what i am talking about. You are not helping with this fear mongering even the site owner here say its not in any danger at all.

Do you see the other CW shows they get 0.2-0.3 on EASIER timeslot than SG. How do you really Think they would do against SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL, WALKING DEAD, CABLE SHOWS FROM HBO ect.. plus normal network competition.

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Thank you, starlord. Had you done this (provide a link and backing facts in your initial posting) to refute the initial links / claims that were posted, we wouldn't need to have this debate ad nauseum. This is what informed debate should look like.

And, no one here is claiming the shows are getting canned. All we are saying is the general perception and basic viewership numbers aren't great. How people interpret that is their own take on things.

So, please, when posting statements like your initial one, in future, kindly provide links and counter-evidence for everyone to discuss. Since the site Admin has provided more context and clarity to the situation (thank you, Admin), we are ALL in a better position to assess how things are.

Again, I repeat, and I'm not being facetious or condescending here, this is what an informed debate should look like.

Be at ease, starlord. I am not predicting disaster.

It is just that I would have thought SG would have retained more of BW audience, given the "World's Finest" treatment. In theory, they should pair well.

As I have said consistently here and elsewhere, CW's business model de-emphasizes ratings, particularly overnights.

I agree the show will continue as long as it makes money and Melissa is willing to play the role.

Good thing overnights don't matter.

Batwoman seems to have stabilized for the moment, but Supergirl dropped again.

I'm wondering if there is less shared audience between the two than was presumed. They are very different in tone.

Side note: If CW releases streaming data for its app, I remain unaware of it. That would provide a more complete picture.

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Don't expect them to do that. That would be violating trade secrets and actually be more indicative of how things are really going.

So, thus far, Season 5 live viewership has declined in comparison to Season 4 and prior (as have other shows), but might be saved by the on-demand and delayed viewings. Maybe yes, maybe no. Once COIE is done in early January, it will be telling if the show is renewed for S6 (and, more importantly, when).

All that is for certain at this point is that the show's main story arc has not resonated with the viewers the way they've (the showrunners and writers) anticipated. Cobble that together with the other factors (the new, but already hashed out, changes for S5) and it appears that the show is falling out of favour with various key demographics. The under 35 crowd isn't interested in the show and the over 35 crowd is frustrated and upset by the changes. So far, in my books, they're batting 1000% (as in; big swings, big misses).

Methinks, a large but long overdue shakeup is in the offing, and the smartest person in the entire room (including the actors, crews, showrunners, EPs, WB and CW brass, etc.) is the actor who will be departing come mid-season.

Just my two cents.

A lot of uninformed people here in this thread. SG is airing on the toughest timeslot of any CW show. Its airing against Sunday Night Football, Walking Dead, Cables Big Hits, all the usual competition from regular network tv too. Most of Shows on CW from weaker timeslot get what SG get on Sundays. Imagine what they would get on sundays at 9 against so much competition. Batwoman only face the beginning of Sunday Night Football. Its also having it easier.
SG Will end when Melissa want the show to end. Its delayed viewing is one of the Best right now too. Putting it on 3-4 place only behind Flash, Batwoman and sometimes Riverdale. SPN and Arrow is ending.

Tired of this baseless fear mongering.

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You're certainly permitted to have your opinions, but do provide concrete evidence to the contrary. Do inform us otherwise. Please clear up our faulty findings.

Kindly provide on-demand stats and delayed viewing stats (the L+3's and L+7's are in for eps.1, 2, 3) and any other relevant information to back your position. If you are from the network or the show, you should have these available at your fingertips. If you aren't, then your conjecture is equally speculative and potentially more baseless than ours.

In fairness, you might not like this thread, and that's fine. If so, please move on to something else.

Season 4 was a train wreck (saved only by Melissa and Jon Cryer's performances) and Season 5, thus far, hasn't fared any better. The show so far in S5 has been fed to the wolves. 900k and less viewers, and dropping weekly isn't a very good omen. That's straight to Netflix / HBO territory.

And, yes, to agree with your position that the show will go on as long as Melissa wants it to. It's the CW's way of keeping stale, unpalatable products on the shelf by fiddling with the numbers. Both Arrow and the Flash are past their Best By dates by at least two to three seasons each (only being saved by COIE). LOT is virtually unwatchable, and Batwoman is struggling hard to attract viewers (especially among the "shipper" crowds) despite being the CW's new "Golden Girl" show.

Regardless of the night the shows are airing, there is a profound waning interest across the general viewership board in them. That's a bankable truism.

I tried Batwoman. The acoustics were less than ideal. I have perfectly good hearing, and could not understand a fair part of what the characters were saying. They mumbled. The flashbacks led to a more complex pot; I would have run Batwoman later in the evening than Supergirl.

Supergirl is appreciably better this year than last year. The soap opera segments of the plot appear to be fading. The heroine rescues the lesser characters instead of the other way around. This year the music has not been so loud as to drown out the conversation.

I tried Batwoman. The acoustics were less than ideal. I have perfectly good hearing, and could not understand a fair part of what the characters were saying. They mumbled. The flashbacks led to a more complex pot; I would have run Batwoman later in the evening than Supergirl.

Supergirl is appreciably better this year than last year. The soap opera segments of the plot appear to be fading. The heroine rescues the lesser characters instead of the other way around. This year the music has not been so loud as to drown out the conversation.

Yep. So far so good.

The day the CW axes a show after one season, particularly from the DC universe, that will be the day. Quality is irrelevant.

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That is accurate. According to unconfirmed reports (i.e. rumours), BW may get renewed even this early in the game despite its early season ratings and that would logically (by the CW's standards) apply to other shows as well.

The bottom line is this: Ratings don't matter anymore, it's about advertising dollars, streaming deals, HBO subscriptions, Internet clicks and product/brand placement. In the age of the Disneyfication of superheroes, it's about keeping up with the Joneses. If one studio does it, they all do it. The DC shows could each have a viewership of 200,000 (in the US alone) and a near-flatline zero rating and still get renewed. If the product doesn't fare well on traditional TV, then they simply move it to another platform and have the public pay for it.

As for show quality, that is subjective, but your take is accurate. Berlanti Productions loves to churn out product like McDonald's hamburgers and the actual dubious quality and questionable content will continue to be digested by the gullible public until they grow weary (and apparently, they never will) of it and move onto other things. As P.T. Barnum is indirectly attributed to have said (although historically inaccurate): "There's a sucker born every minute."

The day the CW axes a show after one season, particularly from the DC universe, that will be the day. Quality is irrelevant.

Those writing these articles really need to educate themselves. The reason CW shows get renewed even though their live ratings are not the best is because...the top 4 scripted dramas on broadcast TV in the male/ female viewership split thus far this season are

1. Flash 58%
2. Supergirl 57%
3. Batwoman 56%
4. Black Lightning 50%

These shows appeal to the hardest demo to grab, the men under 50 demo.

THAT is what the AD people buying time on the CW are looking for, THAT is what counts. So seriously, using articles like this to back up an opinion is weak.

Those writing these articles really need to educate themselves. The reason CW shows get renewed even though their live ratings are not the best is because...the top 4 scripted dramas on broadcast TV in the male/ female viewership split thus far this season are

1. Flash 58%
2. Supergirl 57%
3. Batwoman 56%
4. Black Lightning 50%

All CW shows to be Captain Obvious.

These shows appeal to the hardest demo to grab, the men under 50 demo.

That would be me...with about 5 years left to go in the top of the demo. But I am no fan of Batwoman and Black Lightning.

THAT is what the AD people buying time on the CW are looking for, THAT is what counts. So seriously, using articles like this to back up an opinion is weak.

What it comes down to is disposable income and who has the most of it.

Tv Line and TV By The Numbers are legitimate sites and have only reported facts about the ratings.

Cosmic Book News is not a legitimate website and has written their article with a clickbait-driven agenda.

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That is why I added the additional links. In any event, the numbers given only tell a small part of the overall story. Let's see how things progress and make a more global assessment once COIE has come and gone.

A general reply to all contributors;

Thanks for your continued input into the thread. It opens up new perspectives and adds more dimension to what we're given and what we're seeing on the surface. Thanks and please keep on contributing.

Much appreciated!

More evidence the sky is not falling: https://batwoman.tv/batwoman-receives-full-season-order

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Lovely! This wasn't really in doubt for BW since the live numbers have levelled off (and actually increased with L+7, and on-demand) and the pilot received good reviews. It certainly helped its cause. Consequently, a SG-BW crossover is fully expected for 2020.

Now, if only they could really fix SG's ongoing internal conundrums...

The upcoming Supergirl movie might change things completely. I'm a fiction writer, and my novels based upon The Phantom of the Opera sold like hotcakes after the movie came out. It might be that when the Supergirl movie comes out, viewership of Supergirl on The CW will increase. Any thoughts?
Check out this link for info about the movie: https://screenrant.com/supergirl-movie-filming-2020/

Supergirl is ranked 4th in both.

That's what I call consistency.