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A few weeks ago, Evrafter mentioned reviving a thread that we used to have called Fridge Logic. Doing a quick Google search, a Fridge Logic in a show is a logical inconsistency or plot hole that a viewer might have missed after the initial viewing.

So, to start it off:

After a second watching Pt. 1 of Crisis on Earth-X, I questioned how it is that Oliver was not easily captured or killed. When the Planet X Arrow takes on the resistance members in the opening scene, there were multiple fighters, all with guns. But, I noticed that none attempted to shoot him or get behind something while shooting at him. The same thing happened multiple times throughout the episodes. Then, at the end when he attacked Star-Labs, if there were that many superhero's available at the lab, why did they go at him individually (for the most part). If they would have teamed up (6 against 1), they could have easily defeated him.
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We saw the shirt-rip scene, so, wouldn't Sam maybe wondering what the heck she was wearing under her regular clothes, when did she put it on and why was she wearing it?


Oooooohhhhh yyeeeaaahhhh. Duh.

And, it appears to be a onsie. Lol Terrible for having to go pee.

Yep, imagine stepping into the stall at work and realizing that the chore suddenly became more difficult because from out of nowhere (in your mind anyway) you now have this onesie on underneath. Hope it's not a situation where there is a need for urgency :D
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We saw the shirt-rip scene, so, wouldn't Sam maybe wondering what the heck she was wearing under her regular clothes, when did she put it on and why was she wearing it?


Oooooohhhhh yyeeeaaahhhh. Duh.

And, it appears to be a onsie. Lol Terrible for having to go pee.



I think Sam has multiple personalities disorder where Reign takes over at some point and Sam at others. There are obviously triggers. As for a onesie, who knows high personality knows what’s there.

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We saw the shirt-rip scene, so, wouldn't Sam maybe wondering what the heck she was wearing under her regular clothes, when did she put it on and why was she wearing it?


Oooooohhhhh yyeeeaaahhhh. Duh.

And, it appears to be a onsie. Lol Terrible for having to go pee.
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It seems as though they are playing it that Sam doesn't know about her alter-ego, the lovely Ms. Reign. We saw the shirt-rip scene, so, wouldn't Sam maybe wondering what the heck she was wearing under her regular clothes, when did she put it on and why was she wearing it?
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I was re-watching "Truth, Justice and American Way" from Season 1, which is the one in which SG is put into a cage under the red light. After being in it for a few hours and then the yellow sun only shining on her for about a minute, she was able to storm out of the cage and beat down on the bad guy pretty easily. So, the only thing that should have made her that weak would be the blast from Metallo as Leila stated.

It would probably have been easier to make that connection if it had been written differently or if they were consistent in how kryptonite affects SG.


I understood that the prism they were using was a stronger more focused amount of Red Sun, AND, we really have no timeline as to how long she was under the influence of the red prism in the crossover. ALSO, having been hit by Metallo, full on, then hit again with the rest of the group would have weakened her considerably giving the red prism even more of an impact. As far as the earlier episode from Season 1, we don't know what she was hit with for him to take her out in the first place because of the poor editing of that episode, but we do know that she was under the influence of the red sun far less time probably than she was in the crossover. IMO, the biggest difference was in the Episode from Season 1 it was "only" the red sun, whereas in the crossover it was her being hit twice by a massive amount of Kryptonite, AND the power of the energy being put through the red prism. So, I can see the difference between the 2 episodes, they really are apples and oranges so to speak.
Yes, I believe that we're saying the same thing, from what I can tell. That is was the blast from Metallo that weakened her, not the red sun. The red sun would not have weakened her because we know that Krypton's own sun was red. The lack of effect from the red sun (energy wise) to her was shown in the Season 1 episode that I referred to.

I think it was confusing, at least for me, because of the writing. They kept emphasizing the red sun affecting her (which it did as far as letting them cut into her). That emphasis along with a lot of other stories/actions/characters going on simultaneously, allowed the Metallo blasts to get lost along the way; thereby, losing its effect on the viewer.


The Kryptonite rendered her weak enough to keep her still so to speak....long enough for the "red sun" to make her simply human as it did in the episode "For The Girl Who Has Everything", Season 1 and "Supergirl Lives" Season 2. In both episodes BECAUSE of the Red Sun she was rendered powerless, however.....she was still able to fight and quite well in "Supergirl Lives".....so it was the combination of the Kryptonite and Red Sun that put her in the predicament she was in. I didn't find it confusing at all having seen what the Red Sun has done to her before.
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I was re-watching "Truth, Justice and American Way" from Season 1, which is the one in which SG is put into a cage under the red light. After being in it for a few hours and then the yellow sun only shining on her for about a minute, she was able to storm out of the cage and beat down on the bad guy pretty easily. So, the only thing that should have made her that weak would be the blast from Metallo as Leila stated.

It would probably have been easier to make that connection if it had been written differently or if they were consistent in how kryptonite affects SG.


I understood that the prism they were using was a stronger more focused amount of Red Sun, AND, we really have no timeline as to how long she was under the influence of the red prism in the crossover. ALSO, having been hit by Metallo, full on, then hit again with the rest of the group would have weakened her considerably giving the red prism even more of an impact. As far as the earlier episode from Season 1, we don't know what she was hit with for him to take her out in the first place because of the poor editing of that episode, but we do know that she was under the influence of the red sun far less time probably than she was in the crossover. IMO, the biggest difference was in the Episode from Season 1 it was "only" the red sun, whereas in the crossover it was her being hit twice by a massive amount of Kryptonite, AND the power of the energy being put through the red prism. So, I can see the difference between the 2 episodes, they really are apples and oranges so to speak.
Yes, I believe that we're saying the same thing, from what I can tell. That is was the blast from Metallo that weakened her, not the red sun. The red sun would not have weakened her because we know that Krypton's own sun was red. The lack of effect from the red sun (energy wise) to her was shown in the Season 1 episode that I referred to.

I think it was confusing, at least for me, because of the writing. They kept emphasizing the red sun affecting her (which it did as far as letting them cut into her). That emphasis along with a lot of other stories/actions/characters going on simultaneously, allowed the Metallo blasts to get lost along the way; thereby, losing its effect on the viewer.
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Ooohhh... That's right, Kelly... Kara DID take a full last from Metallo while still recovering from the red sun lamp thing-a-ma-bob.


And she took a full on blast when they were all captured, and once they were captured right before she ends up in the bed they all took a blast from Metallo....so she was actually hit by Metallo 3 times.
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Ooohhh... That's right, Kelly... Kara DID take a full last from Metallo while still recovering from the red sun lamp thing-a-ma-bob.
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I was re-watching "Truth, Justice and American Way" from Season 1, which is the one in which SG is put into a cage under the red light. After being in it for a few hours and then the yellow sun only shining on her for about a minute, she was able to storm out of the cage and beat down on the bad guy pretty easily. So, the only thing that should have made her that weak would be the blast from Metallo as Leila stated.

It would probably have been easier to make that connection if it had been written differently or if they were consistent in how kryptonite affects SG.


I understood that the prism they were using was a stronger more focused amount of Red Sun, AND, we really have no timeline as to how long she was under the influence of the red prism in the crossover. ALSO, having been hit by Metallo, full on, then hit again with the rest of the group would have weakened her considerably giving the red prism even more of an impact. As far as the earlier episode from Season 1, we don't know what she was hit with for him to take her out in the first place because of the poor editing of that episode, but we do know that she was under the influence of the red sun far less time probably than she was in the crossover. IMO, the biggest difference was in the Episode from Season 1 it was "only" the red sun, whereas in the crossover it was her being hit twice by a massive amount of Kryptonite, AND the power of the energy being put through the red prism. So, I can see the difference between the 2 episodes, they really are apples and oranges so to speak.
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I was re-watching "Truth, Justice and American Way" from Season 1, which is the one in which SG is put into a cage under the red light. After being in it for a few hours and then the yellow sun only shining on her for about a minute, she was able to storm out of the cage and beat down on the bad guy pretty easily. So, the only thing that should have made her that weak would be the blast from Metallo as Leila stated.

It would probably have been easier to make that connection if it had been written differently or if they were consistent in how kryptonite affects SG.
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Kara gives herself over to the villains because she doesn't want anyone to die on account of her. However, when Felicity stands in front of her and says that you'll get Kara over my dead body, Kara doesn't react. She stays behind Felicity.
She certainly reacted to Felicity getting in front of her, but at that point, I don't think she was in much of a shape to argue about anything.

I found it interesting that after the final battle had been won, Kara, still weak from falling to earth, was left by herself sitting on the stairs in a tunnel. No one was keeping an eye on her physical status. Alex had to search for her.


I'm confused....after the final battle where she is weak from falling to earth? the next scene we see her in is after the funeral. When was she sitting on stairs in the tunnel? Are you talking about when she is sitting on the storage steel boxes? that isn't after the final battle when she falls to earth. That is after she is rescued from the surgery and everyone is reunited at Star Labs before the final battle. They are all on the Waverider, and I think all she probably needed was to be out from under the effects of the Red sun thingy....even in the little bit of time the electricity was off she was already getting her strength back to the point that they had to wait for her body to weaken again before surgery could happen. No reason to think that even in the few minutes after being rescued she wasn't already getting stronger.
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"I'd like to believe that they overexposed her with artificial red sun radiation, which can be manually increased in intensity. Just like Overgirl took too much Yellow sun radiation. That's why it made her weak like from Kryptonite,"

Well, "natural" and artificial red-sun radiation always seemed to have the same effect on Kara and Clark in the Silver and Bronze Age comics. (Dr. Light, who was originally a villain - like Red Tornado - was always using his artificial red-sun radiation against Kara and Clark back then.) The idea was that since they did not have superpowers on Krypton, then the radiation of Krypton's sun would simply take those powers away.
But since we're dealing with something that completely fictional here, anything's possible! But if that was the actual explanation for what we saw, they should have said so....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Light_(Arthur_Light).
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I'd like to believe that they overexposed her with artificial red sun radiation, which can be manually increased in intensity. Just like Overgirl took too much Yellow sun radiation. That's why it made her weak like from Kryptonite,

"I really didn't follow that whole scenario of Kara being weakened so much by the red sun. Wouldn't that have just made her more human? After all, didn't Krypton have a red sun? "

Yes, that's exactly the way it always was in the Silver and Bronze Age DC comics! The red sun radiation took away Kara's (and Clark's) superpowers, and they became like any normal human. Here, it seemed that the red sun radiation was affecting her like kryptonite, and totally weakening her, to the point where she had less strength than a human.
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She was hit by Metallo’s Kryptonite....
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"I really didn't follow that whole scenario of Kara being weakened so much by the red sun. Wouldn't that have just made her more human? After all, didn't Krypton have a red sun? "

Yes, that's exactly the way it always was in the Silver and Bronze Age DC comics! The red sun radiation took away Kara's (and Clark's) superpowers, and they became like any normal human. Here, it seemed that the red sun radiation was affecting her like kryptonite, and totally weakening her, to the point where she had less strength than a human.
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I found it interesting that after the final battle had been won, Kara, still weak from falling to earth, was left by herself sitting on the stairs in a tunnel. No one was keeping an eye on her physical status. Alex had to search for her.


Bah ha ha ha ha ha I thought the same dang thing. Why wasn't she, at LEAST, laying in a bed in "sick bay?" Poor Danver Sisters....relegated to the storage room.
I really didn't follow that whole scenario of Kara being weakened so much by the red sun. Wouldn't that have just made her more human? After all, didn't Krypton have a red sun?

Another thing I was thinking about was why Mon-el would have been worried about Kara at the beginning of the crossover - if he's from the future, he should know that she made it through the skirmish okay :).
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I found it interesting that after the final battle had been won, Kara, still weak from falling to earth, was left by herself sitting on the stairs in a tunnel. No one was keeping an eye on her physical status. Alex had to search for her.


Bah ha ha ha ha ha I thought the same dang thing. Why wasn't she, at LEAST, laying in a bed in "sick bay?" Poor Danver Sisters....relegated to the storage room.
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Kara gives herself over to the villains because she doesn't want anyone to die on account of her. However, when Felicity stands in front of her and says that you'll get Kara over my dead body, Kara doesn't react. She stays behind Felicity.

I found it interesting that after the final battle had been won, Kara, still weak from falling to earth, was left by herself sitting on the stairs in a tunnel. No one was keeping an eye on her physical status. Alex had to search for her.
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Woot woot... Fridge logic is back.

I'll have to go back and rewatch to come up with any currently. But...

Yaaay... Fridge logic is back.
Yep! Thanks for the suggestion. :)

Meh....far too much analyzing for me.....I'm just sitting back and enjoying.
I like to do both, enjoy and analyze. But, to each their own :)
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Woot woot... Fridge logic is back.

I'll have to go back and rewatch to come up with any currently. But...

Yaaay... Fridge logic is back.
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