Does anybody think Lena and Kara will be friends again or is Kara's betrayal too much for their friendship to handle. I certainly hope not they are good for each other.

I found myself agreeing with about 80-90% of what everyone else has written here on this subject so far. But there is something that has been only lightly touched on by some, and which maybe needs to be explored a bit more.

Kara never kept her secret from Lena to be hurtful about it, but - all of her perfectly understandable secrecy issues aside - the real root source of the problem here is Lena's intractable lack of trust of others.
She has had a very nasty habit of going on a rant from time to time about how much she hates it whenever someone close to her lies to her or keeps secrets from her, and how she can never trust anyone who does that to her; and I have lost track of how many times we've all seen her do that over the past two or three years.
It happen most recently on the plane when they were coming back from Kaznia. Kara saw a long-awaited opportunity to finally get her secret out in the open (something that she has wanted to do ever since the Kryptonite issue during the World-killers saga in Season Three) but, instead of listening, Lena started ranting about Eve's betrayal and, yet again, of how she can never trust anyone who has kept secrets from her, and Kara had to put off telling Lena, again. So rather than encouraging Kara to 'come clean' with Lena, this has been much more DIScouraging on Lena's part than anything else that she has done.
But Lena isn't completely at fault here; the problem most likely stems from her early years growing up in the Luthor family. Lillian perpetually lied and kept secrets from her, as Lex also did as he got older. And Lena later found out that even Lionel was keeping secrets from her too before he died. This may have started out as just a hang-up inherited from the Luthor family, but Lena has tenaciously clung to it as some kind of self-defence mechanism well into her adult life, to the point where it has escalated into an obsession with her, and I'm guessing that she probably doesn't even realize herself how negatively it affects her relationships with others close to her.
And let's be honest about something else - Lena has kept plenty secrets of her own from the others. Such as: Not telling them that she was working with Samantha to try to figure out how to stop Reign; lying about how the Kryptonite she used was Lex's, when it was actually hers; and then lying about how it was all gone, when she had figured out how to make more synthetic Kryptonite anytime she wanted to; keeping some of the Harun-El for herself (even though it was synthetic); and the experiments that she was doing with it to create super-humans. So, Lena feels that it's perfectly okay for her to lie and keep secrets from her friends, but it's not okay for them to keep secrets from her? There's a word for that, but I won't use it here.
And as for how she found out about Kara; Lex knew that he was dying and yet, in those last moments of his life, he didn't try to reconcile with Lena, but instead chose that revelation about Kara as his last act of vengeance on his sister. And he deliberately did it so as to cruelly inflict the greatest amount of psychological damage possible on his sister, using words that he knew would be the most hurtful possible to her ("they MOCKED you, they HUMILIATED you, etc.". He knew exactly how vulnerable she was at that moment, and how to push her buttons and what it would do to her, and he did it maliciously; and Lena fell for it.

All that having been said, I have never enjoyed the occasional suggestions over the past three years that Lena should descend into the same darkness that the rest of her family is infamous for just because she's a Luthor. Despite some errors in judgement along the way (and which we are all guilty of) she has strived to be a good person, and has generally succeeded. So she should stay 'good', and leave the evil stuff to the seemingly endless variety of villains and baddies that Supergirl routinely faces off against. I expect that it will be a very rough ride for Kara and Lena for a while in Season Five, but I'm a "the glass is half-full" type of person, so I'm hoping that Lena will eventually be honest enough to face up to her own inherent lack of trust of others, and that their friendship will prevail in the end.

I am certain that Kara and Lena will reconcile. Although it is likely (even inevitable) that the relationship will be affected in a substantive way, I think it may become even stronger. This will only happen after much drama, of course. But Melissa stated that season 5 would be a battle for Lena's soul, and I just cannot see TPTB allowing Supergirl to lose that fight. I expect that this struggle will be a major theme in the first half of the season leading up to the Crisis. That event will be an epiphany for Lena and reconciliation will follow.

I think you brought up something important to mention, Brier. We've talked about how some of us think it's a bit wrong that Kara is taking so much heat for "lying." But, trying to see it from a realistic perspective, I think the problem I would have had, if I was Lena, wasn't thinking Kara lied to me; but rather, that I was the only one Kara felt couldn't be trusted with the secret. And feeling they all agreed that I couldn't be trusted.

I think you brought up something important to mention, Brier. We've talked about how some of us think it's a bit wrong that Kara is taking so much heat for "lying." But, trying to see it from a realistic perspective, I think the problem I would have had, if I was Lena, wasn't thinking Kara lied to me; but rather, that I was the only one Kara felt couldn't be trusted with the secret. And feeling they all agreed that I couldn't be trusted.

Lena has major trust issues, I totally get why she would be upset. The trust issues are compounded by the Super/Luthor family history. Lena’s going to think the only reason Kara didn’t tell her is because she’s a Luthor which isn’t the whole truth. Likely the Luthor name was part of the reason in the beginning then even after Lena proved to be the white sheep of the family it became harder for Kara as time went on. And it’s true that knowledge of a hero’s secret identity does put the person in danger. As far as the others it’s not their secret to tell. The only thing any of the others could’ve done is encourage Kara to tell but I just don’t see any of them starting that conversation with Kara.

Both Kara and Lena have overacted at times. Remember when many of us were on team Lena, at least initially, with Kara’s reaction to the Kryptonite. They react differently when pushed, Kara sees red and gets mad while Lena uses her boxes.

Ok....I'm just excited to see how it plays out...I think it is going to be some great fireworks.

@Kelly wrote (and @SSAV replied);

"I guess in one of the interviews that Supergirl deserved to be punched..."

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There will be a lot of that - both figuratively and literally - this season once the creative / critical dust has settled and the post mortem on S5 is done. Out come the Kryptonite-laced brass knuckles from all corners. It will get very messy.

Just sayin'!

@Kelly,

The difference I see with Kara's secret and someone in a group not being told something is that Kara's secret was kept because it's a safety/security reason as part of her job. Yes, more people knew then should have, but really the only people outside of the DEO who she told were Winn and Nia. Winn she told before she understood the severity of who she was and about the possible repercussions of him knowing. James already knew and the DEO are all part of an organization that has the ability to maintain secrecy as one of their primary job requirements. Even they had to be mind-wiped after they became a liability tp keeping that secrecy. With Lena having close connections to a known enemy of both Supergirl and the DEO, it would be completely unprofessional for Kara to tell her who she was JUST because they're friends.

As for Nia and Lillian knowing, well I just chalk that up to inconsistent/poor writing. Lillian has known for three seasons yet nothing ever came of it, which is ridiculous as an oversight and Nia should never have been told either.

Yes, I can understand a bit on Lena's side that she's hurt because of her trust issues. But, Kara has her own history of issues yet is able to move past them in order to maintain relationships. And Lena, as someone who is supposed to have a high level of intelligence, is a corporate owner and a scientist with her own ethically questionable behavior, let's give her a little credit to be able to cool down, be willing to listen to Kara's side of it and think rationally about the whole thing.

Every relationship at every level has difficulties but if it's important to those in it they'll do what's necessary to fix those issues.

And if Lena's not willing to do that well, I guess she's not really someone I would want Kara to be friends with and I would say that Kara needs to cut her loses on that one.

I believe it to be plain and simple, s VR program, we will see of course but I will wait to see. Ithe problem by most, not me...but most is the question, did she deserve the punch....IMO no one deserves to be punched unless in the process of self defense or defense of someone else, that is all I have to say on that. I don't know of the interview comment by Katie, so I don't know the context.

With that said, is it a case of REAL reality not VR, no Harun-el, etc.....THAT is a concern in the writing, again have to wait and see, a judgment call at this point is a waste of time.

I suspect, after an uphill battle and push back from Lena, I could foresee Kara/Supergirl being in some real trouble and it causes Lena to realizes her broken heart has mended and works to either help "save" her or the friend in herself takes over.

I would like to see Lena's anger take her down a dark path, gets herself into trouble, Kara pulls her back and Lena realizes Kara is the same person she became friends with, and thank goodness she is Supergirl or she (Lena) would be dead....lol.

Kara didn't betray Lena. She kept a part of herself secret because she was not ready to share. As Lena has done quite a number of times.

With that covered. I wouldn't mind if it goes either way. Lena deciding that her not knowing about Kara was some kind of betrayal even if it wasn't and taking revenge. And Kara having to fight to resolve it and then a line being crossed when Lena inevitably causes harm as she has done consistently since S2--Daxamite invasion being the main one and Harun El drugs in the market another--and Kara having to give up on it.

Or, Lena finally coming to her senses and Kara reassuring her that she does have her back as she has shown time and again. But, please don't keep ruining other people's lives because you need therapy.

This 100 times over. I am so over the show always making it appear that Kara is the bad guy in their friendship. That it is she that has done something wrong and has to grovel to Lena as some kind of penance. I know Kara is a superhero and supposed to be self-sacrificing and all that, but if we're trying to show that anyone, even humans, can be a superhero why can't these folks do a bit of self-sacrificing of their own. Kara had a right to not tell Lena or anyone else about her secret and while I look forward to Lena going more on the evil side, I think her finding out that Kara kept a secret as the catalyst to it is very shallow and weak.

I think a lot of this scenario of the "Lena doesn't know" plot has been from Lena's perspective. Our perspective is our truth, whether it is correct or not, it is our truth. What Lena sees is that, everyone in her life.....EVERYONE....knew a very important bit of information, and she didn't. What she saw on the screen is something we don't get when we have been in situations where it seems like everyone in your crowd knew something but you didn't get the memo. That happens a lot to me in my family. What Lena saw through the footage that Lex had was how Kara physically made decisions to do things that kept Lena from finding out. So, not only was it a mental decision to not tell her, she followed through time and time again to keep the information from her. Then add on top of that, that EVERYONE ELSE knew.

Lena for the first time put her whole trust in someone. Kara..... people can debate till the cows come home as to why she couldn't figure it out on her own. I think she might well have suspected but put it out of her mind because why......why would her best friend, her adopted family, keep that information from her. I mean, seriously....you don't know, what you don't know....lol Kara has told her she isn't like her brother, her stepmother, that the Luthors are lucky to have her, not the other way around,
WHY would Kara keep that from her? Is what is going through her mind now....probably over and over again.

So, though yes, I am very tired of Kara apologizing to Lena for this or that, for me it is more the apologizing for being upset about the making of kryptonite, that apology pissed me off, and then for both Lena and Alex to come at Supergirl, that REALLY PISSED ME OFF. But for this plot scenario, Kara should have told much earlier than this, Kara allowed her fear of losing Lena as a friend keep her from doing the right thing. NOW we are seeing the consequences of that, again from Lena's perspective. WE KNOW KARA'S PERSPECTIVE, she loves Lena as a sister and only wants the best for her. We know Kara's heart very well......so though we may be mad at how Lena seems to be handling this bit of information.....lol, hey its her truth and holy cow....at how it is playing out. I think we are seeing not just pain from the not being told, but ALL OF THE EMOTIONS that she has pushed down throughout her entire life as people kept things from her, manipulated her behind her back, and she was just beginning to feel safe and BAM! I think it is far more HOW she found out, than WHAT she found out.....and I think we see that playing out in the trailer. I'm freaking excited to see how this plays out in the first few episodes. I may be pissed off after I see it, but I'm just going to look forward to it for now.

Excellent read, Kelly. And 100% this...

..for me it is more the apologizing for being upset about the making of kryptonite, that apology pissed me off, and then for both Lena and Alex to come at Supergirl, that REALLY PISSED ME OFF.