Trinity:Solar Eclipse?

Normally, they shouldn't be. But this wasn't a normal eclipse. It was caused by magic. Dark magic, at that. So it's properties may not be the same. On top of that, Kryptonians have a weakness against magic, period.

Normally, they shouldn't be. But this wasn't a normal eclipse. It was caused by magic. Dark magic, at that. So it's properties may not be the same. On top of that, Kryptonians have a weakness against magic, period.

Thanks for that, Kdogg. The teacher in me was struggling with the whole, but the moon is way smaller than the sun; and thus, isn't REALLY blocking the energy of the sun. Buuuuttt... The whole magic addition thang settles my mind. Lol I had forgotten Kryptonian's magic problemo.

I was like, but then she can fly at night?

They must store the charge for a period of time. Otherwise they would be just daytime heroes.

Umm...sure. I guess I missed that explanation in the show.

Umm...sure. I guess I missed that explanation in the show.

The weakness to magic has never been explicitly stated, in the show. It's just comic lore. But they made it clear that it wasn't a normal eclipse when Kara referenced "Dark Magic".

Umm...sure. I guess I missed that explanation in the show.

The weakness to magic has never been explicitly stated, in the show. It's just comic lore. But they made it clear that it wasn't a normal eclipse when Kara referenced "Dark Magic".

Yeah I figured magic played into it some how, but it still seems weird that no one mentioned that they have yellow sun granades. Even if it wouldn't work shouldn't someone mention it?
Alex: what if we use a yellow sun granade, like we did on slaver's moon?
J'onn: Wouldn't work this is more complicated then a red sun.
It just seems weird that no one thought about this (same goes for the Fort Rozz episode, why not bring some yellow sun with you?)

Umm...sure. I guess I missed that explanation in the show.

The weakness to magic has never been explicitly stated, in the show. It's just comic lore. But they made it clear that it wasn't a normal eclipse when Kara referenced "Dark Magic".

Yeah I figured magic played into it some how, but it still seems weird that no one mentioned that they have yellow sun granades. Even if it wouldn't work shouldn't someone mention it?
Alex: what if we use a yellow sun granade, like we did on slaver's moon?
J'onn: Wouldn't work this is more complicated then a red sun.
It just seems weird that no one thought about this (same goes for the Fort Rozz episode, why not bring some yellow sun with you?)

Lazy writers. I also think most of them have only walked by a DC comic and never read one. They change the rules at their whim to suit the story. Sorry but just too inconsistent. Still have trouble with how that T-Rex tail could break the vacuum pack but Super(?)girl could not in the toy man episode. LAZY WRITERS!!!

I don’t think it’s entirely fair to blame plot holes on “lazy writing” or even on the writers. Even if they’re not fans as part of their job the writers are required to watch every episode and read every script. It’s a fact that lines and whole scenes get cut for any number of reasons that are out of the writer’s control. Don’t automatically assume that there wasn’t originally a line in the script that mentioned Kryptonians weakness to magic.

Here’s a realistic scenario. A scene is written in E1 and the writers reference it in E4 specifically because they know it will be important in E6. The scene in E1 has to get cut because of time constraints. TPTB may really want to keep the scene and even realize that cutting it will cause an issue later but tough decisions have to be made and not everything makes the final cut. Meanwhile the writers of E4 won’t even know that the scene their referencing was cut when their writing it. When editing of E4 happens the scene that referenced the cut scene in E1 stays because it’s really needed for an important point in E6. The result winds up being an unavoidable plot hole.

I want to point out a time when the writers did a fantastic job of reusing cut material to create later storylines. The scene in S1 where young Kara saves the mother and baby from the car wreck and the follow-up scene where Jeremiah gives Kara her glasses were actually shot for the Pilot but they were cut. The writers figured out a way to use that footage in a subsequent episode later in the season which allowed Kara to reference Jeremiah giving her the glasses in her goodbye to Alex in Better Angles. Furthermore the writers used Kara saving the mother and baby as the basis for Season two’s Alex.

Writing highly serialized TV is extremely difficult. It’s impossible to provide an explanation for everything and move the story along and a good pace. Give the writers a break and don’t assume plot holes are intentional or caused by ignorance.

Well written and referenced, Brierrose.

I don’t think it’s entirely fair to blame plot holes on “lazy writing” or even on the writers. Even if they’re not fans as part of their job the writers are required to watch every episode and read every script. It’s a fact that lines and whole scenes get cut for any number of reasons that are out of the writer’s control. Don’t automatically assume that there wasn’t originally a line in the script that mentioned Kryptonians weakness to magic.

Here’s a realistic scenario. A scene is written in E1 and the writers reference it in E4 specifically because they know it will be important in E6. The scene in E1 has to get cut because of time constraints. TPTB may really want to keep the scene and even realize that cutting it will cause an issue later but tough decisions have to be made and not everything makes the final cut. Meanwhile the writers of E4 won’t even know that the scene their referencing was cut when their writing it. When editing of E4 happens the scene that referenced the cut scene in E1 stays because it’s really needed for an important point in E6. The result winds up being an unavoidable plot hole.

I want to point out a time when the writers did a fantastic job of reusing cut material to create later storylines. The scene in S1 where young Kara saves the mother and baby from the car wreck and the follow-up scene where Jeremiah gives Kara her glasses were actually shot for the Pilot but they were cut. The writers figured out a way to use that footage in a subsequent episode later in the season which allowed Kara to reference Jeremiah giving her the glasses in her goodbye to Alex in Better Angles. Furthermore the writers used Kara saving the mother and baby as the basis for Season two’s Alex.

Writing highly serialized TV is extremely difficult. It’s impossible to provide an explanation for everything and move the story along and a good pace. Give the writers a break and don’t assume plot holes are intentional or caused by ignorance.

No, I'm the viewer and expect a coherent, consistent, well packaged story. The onus is not on me to fill in the gaps; to assume that the explanation or whatever must be on the cutting room floor.

No, I'm the viewer and expect a coherent, consistent, well packaged story. The onus is not on me to fill in the gaps; to assume that the explanation or whatever must be on the cutting room floor.

It almost sounds as if you created this thread in an attempt to get people to sympathize with what you think is lazy writing, and when people give you explanations or another point of view, you reject it, because it's not what you wanted to hear.

I already explained the eclipse thing, and how it was magic, not normal (specifically stated in-show). Not good enough for you.

As for yellow sun grenades...with the eclipse, how were they expected to harness yellow solar energy to create them? You can't harness that solar energy if there weren't an adequate supply to harness.

If you just wanna poke holes in the story, that's fine. But some of us use comic lore, previous show references, or draw our own conclusions to fill in those gaps.

No, I'm the viewer and expect a coherent, consistent, well packaged story. The onus is not on me to fill in the gaps; to assume that the explanation or whatever must be on the cutting room floor.

It almost sounds as if you created this thread in an attempt to get people to sympathize with what you think is lazy writing, and when people give you explanations or another point of view, you reject it, because it's not what you wanted to hear.

I already explained the eclipse thing, and how it was magic, not normal (specifically stated in-show). Not good enough for you.

As for yellow sun grenades...with the eclipse, how were they expected to harness yellow solar energy to create them? You can't harness that solar energy if there weren't an adequate supply to harness.

If you just wanna poke holes in the story, that's fine. But some of us use comic lore, previous show references, or draw our own conclusions to fill in those gaps.

I think it's a fair criticism, you shouldn't have to do homework to watch a TV show, and the rules shouldn't change from episode to episode. If they do it should be addressed.
The "magic" aspect was addressed, But there wasn't all that much stress given to it so it was easy to miss. Also "magic" was used to explain why it occurred (an eclipse can pretty much always be predicted ahead of time so an eclipse showing up out of nowhere is a big deal) not it's effects.
We are left to assume that because the eclipse (did they ever specify if it was a solar eclipse or a lunar eclipse, or maybe something else is blocking the sun?) was caused by magic, it would have magical effects, beyond that of lack of sunlight (we've seen Kara fight indoors and at night so we know she doesn't lose her powers as soon as she isn't in direct sunlight)

As far as the Sun granades are concerned, shouldn't they already have some lying around?
It's the sort of thing I would be sure to keep in stock. If that can't be done, the sun bed is another option for when they were doing the interdimentional inception scene since Kara had to lie down anyway.

My point is that at no point in the episode, did anyone even try to come up with a way for Kara to get her powers back/slow the loss of powers, and that's just odd. This should be a huge concern for everyone at the DEO. For all we know a magic eclipse could last years, decades even, you're going to want to find a way to counteract it. Maybe even create something new like a 'Sun' suit for Kara to wear.
Oh well, maybe the DEO's R and D department are off screen figuring this out while our intrepid heros punch things.