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At the Superman & Lois Wonder Con panel this weekend.showrunner Todd Helbing when asked why Clark & Lois haven't even gotten a text from Kara since the start of the series,said that the Supergirl questions will be answered by the end of this season.

https://bleedingcool.com/tv/superman-lois-ep-teases-supergirl-arrowverse-answer-this-season/

Superman & Lois EP Teases Supergirl/Arrowverse "Answer" This Season

Posted on April 3, 2022 by Ray Flook

Considering that The CW's Tyler Hoechlin & Elizabeth Tulloch-starring Superman & Lois has its backstory roots deeply entrenched in the Arrowverse, a number of fans have been wondering why the show hasn't been embracing its connections to Supergirl (especially considering the family connections with Melissa Benoist's Kara), The Flash, Batwoman, DC's Legends of Tomorrow, and others. In the past, the creative team has stressed the importance of giving Superman & Lois a chance to build itself up as its own series first before branching out to other shows. And then the pandemic reportedly scrapped a number of potential crossover plans. But at this weekend's WonderCon 2022, series showrunner & EP Todd Helbing dropped a ten-ton hint at the end of a panel Q&A that also included Hoechlin and Tulloch. When asked jokingly by the host if Lois & Clark could at least get a text from Kara as a way of getting to the bigger issue at hand, Helbing conceded that the two reasons we just went over were big factors. But then the clouds shifted as Helbing teased that some clarity may be on the way… and sooner than viewers think. "I'll just say that at the end of this season [Season 2], you'll get the answer to the questions that you guys have." Hmmm… will this "answer" be specific to Superman & Lois or does it speak to much bigger Arrowverse plans that are in play?

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Here's the full panel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHlMRtHmR9Q



The Supergirl question is at the very end of the panel.Start at the 43:00 minute mark
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Whatever direction the show went with was fine with me as it wasn't going to affect my enjoyment which is mainly based on how the show treats its titular characters and my interest in those said characters.

COVID did indeed have an influence on S & L being a standalone show and it also affected the chances of a Superman appearance in Supergirl's season finale which would've been nice, even a short phone conversation between Kara and Clark (like Kara and Cat had) would've been cool, it didn't happen though and that was OK as there's plenty of other moments between them to re-watch and enjoy, same applies to crossovers.

I like that there's potential for Supergirl to come onto this show sometime in the future and get a possible fresh take on the character. Not for 2 or 3 more years though as I want Sasha Calle's iteration to be the next one we see.


I can thank S&L for one thing. I now understand why people troll the social media of a show they don’t watch for the purpose of saying it sucks. I have not and will never do it but I totally get the compulsion to do so now. I haven’t gone on Hypergate media’s site for S&L, side note thanks again for keeping this site about Supergirl, admins would you share what was said about this there.


Except that's what you use this site for. Every post you make about S and L here is a hate post so any opinion you have about the show doesn't really deserve any respect.


Perhaps comic fan in the future you can post anything about Superman and Lois on Admin's site they've created for that show - https://supermanandloistv.com/.
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Todd Helbing at Paleyfest today again addresses the Supergirl/larger Arrowverse question saying he understands the fans frustrations and it will be answered/addressed at the end of the season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INUb566T41w



Very curious how they do address it since they already had Diggle on the show last season.
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I’m both happy and apprehensive about this news. Happy that S&L is finally acknowledging it’s parent show but apprehensive after hearing what they did with Lucy Lane. I call BS on giving S&L a chance to build itself up as its own series first before branching out to other shows. Season one of Supergirl often had Kara IMing with Clark so I can’t believe a text from Kara would’ve interfered nor would COVID have prevented any other type of acknowledgment that didn’t require Melissa’s physical presence. I heard they cut a scene where Lois packed a picture of Kara with her other thing when she quit.

After listening to what Todd Helbing said I’m even more apprehensive especially since he said “where we all fit”. I’m envisioning a worst case scenario where they say S&L is showing Lois and Clark’s backstory on Earth-Prime and takes place before Kara became Supergirl. To me that would be a huge disrespect to all the work everyone did on Supergirl essentially saying you know what in the timeline this show comes first and we only want to show a world where Clark is the only Kryptonian hero. I realize there are reasons why that worst case won’t happen. One being Diggle, although they could probably wiggle out of that. Two no crossovers with Flash or Batwoman, if it gets renewed. Although the cynical part of me says they would sacrifice those crossovers, Flash likely only has one more season and Batwoman is unknown. I just don’t trust the S&L EPs and writers one bit, everything I read seems to be a version of we want the show to stand on its own instead of being part of the universe it came from.
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I’m both happy and apprehensive about this news. Happy that S&L is finally acknowledging it’s parent show but apprehensive after hearing what they did with Lucy Lane. I call BS on giving S&L a chance to build itself up as its own series first before branching out to other shows. Season one of Supergirl often had Kara IMing with Clark so I can’t believe a text from Kara would’ve interfered nor would COVID have prevented any other type of acknowledgment that didn’t require Melissa’s physical presence. I heard they cut a scene where Lois packed a picture of Kara with her other thing when she quit.

After listening to what Todd Helbing said I’m even more apprehensive especially since he said “where we all fit”. I’m envisioning a worst case scenario where they say S&L is showing Lois and Clark’s backstory on Earth-Prime and takes place before Kara became Supergirl. To me that would be a huge disrespect to all the work everyone did on Supergirl essentially saying you know what in the timeline this show comes first and we only want to show a world where Clark is the only Kryptonian hero. I realize there are reasons why that worst case won’t happen. One being Diggle, although they could probably wiggle out of that. Two no crossovers with Flash or Batwoman, if it gets renewed. Although the cynical part of me says they would sacrifice those crossovers, Flash likely only has one more season and Batwoman is unknown. I just don’t trust the S&L EPs and writers one bit, everything I read seems to be a version of we want the show to stand on its own instead of being part of the universe it came from.


Yeah,I'm a little nervous too.One crazy idea I saw speculated on twitter is that Superman & Lois is set 14/15 years in the future from the other Arrowverse shows like Supergirl.The only thing is again,the Diggle episode last season throws that into question since his appearances across the Arrowverse shows last season connect to each.other.Also Diggle doesn't look older(although that can be fan wanked).Also I think one of the writers already confirmed Superman & Lois is set in the present day Arrowverse.

Superman & Lois Season 2 Will Answer Big Arrowverse Crossover Questions

https://screenrant.com/superman-lois-season-2-arrowverse-crossovers-connections-updates/
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Pagey speculation video.Don't want anyone to think he's breaking any news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntFZIABEoog



The best case scenario is the one I want the most but is the one I think is most unlikely for the end of this season.The mid case scenario is the most likely I think and would be fine with me for the end of this current season.I would hope the worst case scenario does not happen.
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Pagey speculation video.Don't want anyone to think he's breaking any news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntFZIABEoog



The best case scenario is the one I want the most but is the one I think is most unlikely for the end of this season.The mid case scenario is the most likely I think and would be fine with me for the end of this current season.I would hope the worst case scenario does not happen.

I consider that YouTube channel well intended but not always accurate. However in that video all that was discussed was what was said or has been done so far on S&L so it’s a nice one. I agree with the best to worse case scenarios and the logic behind them. Diggle would be hard to explain in the worst case. I’m aware there was a cut scene where Lois packed up a picture of Kara along with her other things when she quit the Daily Planet. Since resources were spent on that scene it makes it less likely the plan, at least at that time, was to cut Kara out completely.

As to the best case we can only hope. Melissa did say she was open and I don’t believe she is currently filming anything. I’d actually prefer someone else from the Supergirl cast rather than another show. Chyler has proved open to reprising Alex and I’m pretty sure David would suit up again given the right circumstances. I’ve said it before the best way to get Melissa, David, or Chyler to Vancouver is to give them a directors spot.

I would be varying degrees of happy with the mid case scenario depending on exactly what they do. It will be interesting how they try to dig out of the hole they’ve created. IMO two seasons is too long to just say Kara’s off world like they did in Armageddon. And that still wouldn’t explain no mention of her at all before. From what I’ve read Clark hasn’t even told his sons that Argo exists, how is keeping something as big as other Kryptonians people who are related to them existing ok. Seriously it’s like the EPs and writers would rather show Clark being a bad father than acknowledge events on Supergirl.

I don’t watch S&L but will record this episode and perhaps watch after reading what they do.
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I consider that YouTube channel well intended but not always accurate. However in that video all that was discussed was what was said or has been done so far on S&L so it’s a nice one. I agree with the best to worse case scenarios and the logic behind them. Diggle would be hard to explain in the worst case. I’m aware there was a cut scene where Lois packed up a picture of Kara along with her other things when she quit the Daily Planet. Since resources were spent on that scene it makes it less likely the plan, at least at that time, was to cut Kara out completely.


I never understood the logic of cutting that because they couldn't do crossovers.Just because they couldn't do crossovers dosen't mean you can't mention or show a photo.

The other shows last year made mentions.Barry mentioned Clark on The Flash.Flash appeared off-screen on Black Lightning.Cutting the photo here was stupid IMO.

As to the best case we can only hope. Melissa did say she was open and I don’t believe she is currently filming anything. I’d actually prefer someone else from the Supergirl cast rather than another show. Chyler has proved open to reprising Alex and I’m pretty sure David would suit up again given the right circumstances. I’ve said it before the best way to get Melissa, David, or Chyler to Vancouver is to give them a directors spot.


Flash showrunner Eric Wallace revealed in a interview a few weeks ago that he was about to meet with a Supergirl cast member to appear next season on The Flash.He said this person has never appeared on the show and he made a point that he didn't use pronouns referring to this person.So many are speculating it's Nicole Maines and we could see Dreamer guest star on The Flash next season.

I would be varying degrees of happy with the mid case scenario depending on exactly what they do. It will be interesting how they try to dig out of the hole they’ve created. IMO two seasons is too long to just say Kara’s off world like they did in Armageddon. And that still wouldn’t explain no mention of her at all before. From what I’ve read Clark hasn’t even told his sons that Argo exists, how is keeping something as big as other Kryptonians people who are related to them existing ok. Seriously it’s like the EPs and writers would rather show Clark being a bad father than acknowledge events on Supergirl.


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Well Lena is going to appear in this week's Earth Prime # 1.According to the writers(who also write for the shows),this comic miniseries is canon to the shows.It's going to be set post Supergirl series finale so Kara's identity is out.Lena is going to be meeting Ryan/Batwoman.The writiers just recently confimed that the issue is set in the middle of Batwoman Season 3,right after Mary becomes Poison Mary and she goes off with Alice.The writers said Ryan and Lena will be bonding over having evil brothers.

They also revealed that they wanted to bring Lena on Batwoman last season but couldn't due to the pandemic restrictions in place at the time.


I don’t watch S&L but will record this episode and perhaps watch after reading what they do.


I do,I really like the show but the lack of Supergirl connections have stuck out like a sore thumb.A good example,in the latest episode,Superman goes thru a portal(to Bizarro World which the next episode out in three weeks will be dealing with).The episode then immediatly jumps ahead a month later.We learn Superman has been missing for a month.We see news reports about a world without Superman.We also see that Steel/John Henry Irons has been filling in for the missing Superman in Metropolis and around the world.

But no mention of Supergirl helping out.You would think if Superman was missing,Kara would also be filling in as well.Not just Steel.You don't even need Melissa to appear.Just mention in the newscast that Supergirl is also pitching in for her missing cousin.

I mean at the end of Supergirl season 3,Tyler didin't appear but we got word that Superman was helping with the Worldkiller disasters in other parts of the world off-screen.

So again,things like this really stick out on Superman & Lois.
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Flash showrunner Eric Wallace revealed in a interview a few weeks ago that he was about to meet with a Supergirl cast member to appear next season on The Flash.He said this person has never appeared on the show and he made a point that he didn't use pronouns referring to this person.So many are speculating it's Nicole Maines and we could see Dreamer guest star on The Flash next season.
Could very be referring to Nicole. I don’t believe Lena, Brainy, or Kelly ever appeared in a Flash episode either. I’m quite sure all four only appeared in CoIE parts 1 and/or 5, the Supergirl and LoT episodes. I recall Brainy defeating AMAZO in the last part of Elseworlds but that was the Supergirl episode.
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Apparently there were several references to the shared universe and one to Supergirl in the original script for the S&Al Pilot.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DevsMastani/status/1534196803330904065

Screenrant said it all Superman & Lois Ignoring Supergirl Is Completely Ridiculous Now

The showrunners made a consensus decision to get rid of all of them. To me that shows their true intentions.
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It seems the print version of TV Guide has broke that David Ramsey is returing as Diggle in the Superman & Lois Season finale and sets things up for S3. I assume this is where we'll get the answer to the Supergirl question/connection to the Arrowverse.

https://twitter.com/hifive326/status/1534629707521695746

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#SupermanAndLois Showrunner Todd Helbing has confirmed David Ramsey will return as Diggle in the end of the S2 finale and will lead right into S3. Keep in mind we are also getting answers to why no other Arrowverse hero has been mentioned on the show yet too then. (
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Speculation time.The next Superman & Lois episode was suddenly delayed a week so now the Superman & Lois season 2 finale and the Flash Season 8 finale will now air the same week,Superman & Lois on Tuesday.Flash the next night.Also Danielle Nicolet who plays Cecile on Flash promised a surprise guest star nobody will guess in the finale and Eric Wallace promised a big cliffhanger since they were renewed.

I'm thinking Diggle is the guest star and he will be connecting the two finales setting up the start of the next seasons of both show and some type of event.

Hopfully we do get a Supergirl mention in one or both finales.
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Superman & Lois S02 Finale: Arrowverse Answers, John Diggle/S03 & More


https://bleedingcool.com/tv/superman-lois-s02-finale-arrowverse-answers-john-diggle-s03-more/

David Ramsey Returns to Set Up Season 3: Helbing revealed that viewers can "expect a last-minute visit from 'Arrow' vet David Ramsey's John Diggle, although the fan fave's presence has more to do with 'Superman & Lois' future than its past" and "that [scene] is to tee up our big bad for Season 3."

Yes, Some Arrowverse Answers Are on the Way: Revealing that the episode will better explain how the series "fits into the Arrowverse," Helbing says it will be Dylan Walsh's General Lane who "mentions [things] where you're gonna be like, 'wait, what?' And then he gives a speech that is very clear. You learn everything from him." The showrunner then added, "General Lane has the most inspirational grandfather/father moment that he's had so far in the series.


I think a Supergirl mention may come in the speech from Sam Lane.
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I have very low expectations and in fact am prepared to be outraged at whatever “explanation” is provided. To my knowledge Helbing has never said Kara/Supergirl will be addressed let alone mentiond. I only know he said S&Ls relationship to the Arrowverse will be clarified. If I’m wrong and he said Kara/Supergirl let me know.
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I have very low expectations and in fact am prepared to be outraged at whatever “explanation” is provided. To my knowledge Helbing has never said Kara/Supergirl will be addressed let alone mentiond. I only know he said S&Ls relationship to the Arrowverse will be clarified. If I’m wrong and he said Kara/Supergirl let me know.


If there is a mention or not,I'll post about it.
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Spoilers for last night's Flash.

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Diggle was in last night's Flash and they resolved the Green Lantern plotline
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From a new interview with showrunner Todd Helbing previewing tonights season 2 finale of Superman & Lois.

https://www.kryptonsite.com/superman-lois-finale-helbing-on-big-moments-arrowverse-answers-green-lantern/

Is it true we will find out in the season finale where Superman & Lois falls in the Arrowverse; i.e. is the show happening on Earth-Prime with The Flash, Supergirl and everything else? “Oh, yeah. It’s confirmed,” Helbing tells us. (Clarification: What is “confirmed” is that this is the episode where we find out; we’re not telling you whether it is or not until you’ve seen the episode!) Keep your eyes open for a big speech from Sam Lane (Dylan Walsh) which will definitively answer the question of why, say, characters like Kara or Alex Danvers haven’t been called in.
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Well tonight gave us a answer but not the one many were hoping for or as being pointed out elsewhere makes sense.

Superman & Lois is not set on the same earth as Arrow,The Flash,Legends,Black Lightning,Batwoman and of course Supergirl.It's like Stargirl,Naomi and the upcoming Gotham Knights.General Lane in his speech to the twins says Superman is the only hero on their earth even though he knows of other earths with Leagues of heroes.

Yet that dosen't really fit with Diggle's appearance last season where he mentioned Oliver and Crisis or Diggle's appearance tonight where he while talking to John Henry and mentioned meeting him last year in that previous episode.Plus Diggle is sportign his exact look that he ad two weeks ago on The Flash.

What's fustrating is that we know this was NOT the original plan.Crisis set up Superman having two sons.Kara was supposed to be referenced via a photo in the series premiere that was shot and cut.Plus Superman & Lois was supposed to have a crossover with Batwoman pre-pandemic.Eric Wallace tried to get Tyler Hoechlin for Armageddon this season but scheduling prevented it(although since Wallace said Hoechlin promised to make a future appearance,now how does that work?Different Superman with his old Supergirl suit?)

As someone on twitter said,they took the lazy way.

Will post interviews that hit addressing this.

https://tvline.com/2022/06/28/superman-lois-arrowverse-connection-explained-finale-interview/

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How Is Superman & Lois Connected to the Arrowverse? EP Sheds More Light on Finale's Long-Awaited Explanation

By Andy Swift / June 28 2022

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Tuesday’s second season finale of Superman & Lois finally gave viewers an answer they’ve been waiting for — even if it wasn’t the answer they were expecting.

We’re talking about how exactly this show is connected to the larger Arrowverse, something that was addressed (albeit briefly) this week by General Lane. Mild finale spoilers ahead!

“I’ve been working for the DOD for a long time,” Sam told his grandsons. “I’ve seen things you would not believe — glimpses of other worlds, and the leagues of superheroes they have on them. And even though we only have your father on this planet, thank God that we do, because he’s the finest of any Earth.”

Speaking with TVLine, showrunner Todd Helbing acknowledges, “From Day 1, there were questions of how we were connected to the Arrowverse. If you go back to the first script that got sent to Warner Brothers and DC, it had a lot of references to other heroes like The Flash. There were moments when we were shooting, and I think I’ve said this before, but there was a photo of Kara on Lois’ desk at the Daily Planet. All of that stuff got slowly pulled out, and the more we did that, the more it became a can of worms to even mention it.”

So, why didn’t we get this big speech sooner?

“DC and I had a conversation during Season 1, and the decision [to keep Superman & Lois separate] was made then, but I couldn’t make it public until the end of this season,” Helbing explains. “So when I got all these questions [in previous interviews], I knew what we were doing, but I could never talk about it. It got a little frustrating on my end, but I totally understand DC’s position. So this put that to rest. I’ve said from the beginning that we want to put our own stamp on the Superman property. This wasn’t meant to alienate us from the Arrowverse, but because a lot of the other shows are sadly no longer going to be on the air, it felt like the right thing to do.”

While this Superman is aware of the multiverse, as established in Episode 7 of Season 1, “we have to think about this as a separate Superman, a doppelganger of the one who was in the Arrowverse,” Helbing says. “I understand why everyone has been wanting the references, but it would have felt wrong.”

(In other words, don’t hold your breath for any big crossovers in the near future. Or ever.)

As for the John Diggle we saw at the end of the Season 2 finale, he’s also — you guessed it — not the same Diggle that spent eight seasons kicking butt on Arrow.

“This is also a new Diggle,” Helbing confirms. “David Ramsey had grown a beard and grew his hair out. He called me and said, ‘I’ve been growing my hair, I look different. Do you want me to shave and get a haircut?’ So not to add more confusion to it, but he’s a different Diggle.” (Click here for more intel on the finale.)

Was this the explanation you were expecting? Grade the finale and season of Superman & Lois below, then drop a comment with your thoughts.


I don't get why it is a can of worms to mention Kara or the other shows when the other shows had no problem mentioning Superman.

Also,the Diggle explanation doesn't jive with his season 1 or appearance or why Diggle is sporting this same look on The Flash two weeks ago.

https://www.tvinsider.com/1050194/superman-lois-clark-water-fortress-diggle-doppelganger-intergang-season-3/

Now, the Diggle moment, I’m still confused. What are you setting up there? Is this the Justice U. thing or is this something that you’re looking to do in the show next season?

Well, what we really wanted to do is just basically tee up one of the villains, Bruno Manheim. And also, the stuff that we had Diggle do and say in Season 1… I couldn’t be up front with the audience until this episode about how we’re connected to the Arrowverse or not connected. And so we had to very carefully have him say things that could be presented as one way but the real reason is a different thing. So yeah, no, it was really just to set up Bruno and to sort of cement that this guy is a different Diggle than the Diggle that was in Arrow. This is our Earth’s version of Diggle, he got presented with the green box and everything he said in Season 1 is true. There’s been an Oliver Queen who died. There were other heroes, but there was nobody with superpowers except for Superman. And he’s the only superpowered person on this planet other than Jordan right now.

Then you send Lucy off to Metropolis, and we know from Supergirl that Lucy was in Metropolis.

Yeah. So the best way to think about this is that some of the characters are doppelgangers, some aren’t. Right? So General Lane clearly isn’t. Lucy is. Diggle is. You may see other people that are. But they’re all different versions of them. Just like how John Henry came from a different planet where there is a bad Kal-El, it’s the same sort of idea.


Again I call bull *bleep* on this and lazy.

https://theflashpodcast.com/interviews/exclusive-interview-superman-lois-showrunner-season-2-finale/

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: Superman & Lois Showrunner Breaks Down Season 2 Finale

The Flash Podcast: So we get the big confirmation that Superman & Lois takes place on another Earth, and I know a lot of Arrowverse fans will have questions about this so can you talk about what led to this decision?

Todd Helbing: Originally, if you look at the original script – I think it’s online somewhere – there are a lot of references to Crisis, with Clark and his family because of it. We went from having one infant to two teenage boys, that was a huge part of it. But it’s just felt like, it was opening a can of worms and and required so much explanation to, someone like, let’s say my mom, a new audience member, that it wasn’t going to play in the way that we originally intended. So Greg [Berlanti,] and I, along with The CW, Warner Bros. and DC, we just started to pull all those references out. There even was in episode two, there was a picture of Kara with the two of them at the barn from the crossovers. They just slowly for whatever reason got pulled out.

Then I had a conversation with DC, in season 1 about this, there was a desire to put our own stamp on the Superman mythology and just have it be able to function on its own. But the more we got through season 1 and the end of the season 2, it’s just felt more honest to not have it be on the same planet. I think when all the other shows were on at the same time, it was easier to do references like The Flash in Central City and Supergirl in National City. But for our show, like our big bads became so huge, and there’s no way like, having two worlds merging, but everybody won’t be there. Unfortunately, now that these other shows are no longer going to be on the air, it just didn’t feel like it was gonna be rewarding. I’m sure there’s gonna be some fans out there that are upset. I totally understand, but I think the decision was just made to keep our show on a different planet and do the best we can.

The Flash Podcast: Do you have an idea in your head canon what this world’s Supergirl is like? Whether she would be played by Melissa Benoist or someone else – although we would obviously love to see Melissa, – do you sort of know what and where she would be in this world?

Todd Helbing: Yeah, it would not be the Supergirl from the Arrowverse, it would be our version so we would invent a new backstory for her. The same way that we did with with Lucy, General Lane, and John Diggle, he same way with John Diggle. they may be their doppelganger and they may look exactly the same. But it would be a completely different story.

The Flash Podcast: Despite this reveal, fans always hope for a crossover between Superman and The Flash, especially before the latter ends its run, what can you speak about that?

Todd Helbing: The pandemic sort of like just made it virtually impossible of doing that. But like I say this all time I love Grant Gustin. Clearly, I’m connected to all the cast there and Eric Wallace is a friend of mine. So that would be a lot of fun. So it’s just sort of depends on if there is a real desire from everybody to do it, But those conversations are initiated by people a lot higher than me, so we’ll see what happens. I’m certainly would not be opposed to have The Flash on our show.[/i]


So Superman & Lois could have it's own version of Supergirl that looks like Melissa(like Lucy and Diggle ) or not(like Sam Lane and Morgan Edge).

As someone who likes Superman & Lois,I have to say,I feel really turned off right now.I'm still watching the show but I get why some are sayinjg they are dropping it due to this.I feel my enthusiasm for the show took a hit tonight too especially knowing this was not the original plan for the series.

ETA

https://www.kryptonsite.com/superman-lois-finale-post-mortem-earth-prime-season-3-more/

KRYPTONSITE’S CRAIG BYRNE: At what point was it decided that Superman & Lois was not happening on the same “Earth-Prime” as The Flash, Supergirl and several of the other DC shows?

TODD HELBING: Discussions were had in Season 1 with DC, so I knew that that was the way that we were gonna go, but I was asked not to reveal that to the public until the end of Season 2. So you know, it was two seasons of questions about it, with fans getting more and more frustrated – which is completely understandable – but it just felt like for our show, and particularly now, with shows unfortunately ending, it seemed like the best decision, to have Superman & Lois on its own Earth.

Does this mean that the versions of Clark and Lois that we saw on the crossovers are still there on another Earth?

Yeah.


I hate that they are also using the excuse of shows ending also playing a part in this decision.
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This is some BS. I guess that means there’s a Clark on Earth-Prime and whatever Earth S&L exists on, all evidence points to this, Clark was referenced on Flash and Black Lightning. I hope people that are dropping the show let Helbing know exactly why #bocottsupermanandlois Yes, knowing this wasn’t the plan and was deliberately changed makes it worse, I hope S&L gets canceled after season 3.

I can thank S&L for one thing. I now understand why people troll the social media of a show they don’t watch for the purpose of saying it sucks. I have not and will never do it but I totally get the compulsion to do so now. I haven’t gone on Hypergate media’s site for S&L, side note thanks again for keeping this site about Supergirl, admins would you share what was said about this there.
Hope, Help and Compassion for all
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Like I said,I'm still going to watch but like a lot of the reactions,I've seen,I feel misled and my connection to this version of Superman & Lois feels gone.This series was sold as a spin-off of Supergirl and the Arrowverse crossovers and now it's been retcon into not being that.So we got versions of these characters played by the same actors with the same characterization but who aren't the version of these characters we spent years getting to,

It's like watching pod people.It would of been one thing if this setup a seperate earth and they were upfront about it from the start like Naomi or the upcoming Gotham Knights but it wasn't. It was promoted as a continuation of the versions of these characters that we knew and they changed there minds and then hid that from us for two years.

I just feel like this version of Superman and Lois are strangers to me now wearing the faces of the characters I knew.

Here's two great videos about this.Spoilers for the entire Superman & Lois finale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBIo4ZAjmEA

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-96ONqn394

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Here's a big discussion about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oco5EsG9LZU

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Whatever direction the show went with was fine with me as it wasn't going to affect my enjoyment which is mainly based on how the show treats its titular characters and my interest in those said characters.

COVID did indeed have an influence on S & L being a standalone show and it also affected the chances of a Superman appearance in Supergirl's season finale which would've been nice, even a short phone conversation between Kara and Clark (like Kara and Cat had) would've been cool, it didn't happen though and that was OK as there's plenty of other moments between them to re-watch and enjoy, same applies to crossovers.

I like that there's potential for Supergirl to come onto this show sometime in the future and get a possible fresh take on the character. Not for 2 or 3 more years though as I want Sasha Calle's iteration to be the next one we see.


I like Superman & Lois.Really like it in fact.This one element has annoyed me to no end and the series kept making it a issue by the choices they made and didn't make while leaving the questions hanging in the air but it was addressed in the finale and even though I don't like the answer and how it was handled by TPTB(and does color my views of how I look at the show in a certain way attest for right now),it's addressed.done and I won't bring it up again.

For the record,minus the Sam Lane speech where this was addressed,I thought the finale was good and think parts of it topped last night's Flash finale(which I also liked).

I can thank S&L for one thing. I now understand why people troll the social media of a show they don’t watch for the purpose of saying it sucks. I have not and will never do it but I totally get the compulsion to do so now. I haven’t gone on Hypergate media’s site for S&L, side note thanks again for keeping this site about Supergirl, admins would you share what was said about this there.


Except that's what you use this site for. Every post you make about S and L here is a hate post so any opinion you have about the show doesn't really deserve any respect.

I don't think I made hate posts or even posted about Superman & Lois often nor other shows.Yes,this one element has bothered me and it relates to Supergirl which is when I've posted about it here I mean they brought a Supergirl character over to S & L with the same actress playing her and retcon the character.Why wouldn't that be a topic on a Supergirl forum?It's the same reason I posted about the Earth Prime comics,Armageddon and any potential future guest appearances from Supergirl casts,It's all in relation to this series but I do like S & L and expressed that in past posts.I think the acting is great,the look and effects are wonderful and the storylines have been stellar.I think your wrong about me making hate posts all the time or my opinion doesn't matter.I like the show.I watch every episode.I buy the blu ray set of each season and rewatch episodes.I'm going to watch season 3.There was just one element I didn't like in relation to Supergirl and the larger Arrowverse and had an immediate reaction to how it was finally dealt with.I think you're allowed to have a reaction positive or negative.I'm not the only one who had a rreaction.Like I said abovre,this issue is now addressed and I won't post about it again unless something new comes out in relation to Supergirl casts/characters.

Perhaps comic fan in the future you can post anything about Superman and Lois on Admin's site they've created for that show - https://supermanandloistv.com/.



Again I only posted about S & L here when it has related to Supergirl.This topic related to Supergirl.
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