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Hi,

I just opened this thread so that our board members can post their thoughts, feelings, analyses and impressions of the Season 5 that just was. Mention the highs, lows and everything in-between. What worked, what didn't, and where (ideally) should the show go from here.

As always, please be respectful of others' opinions and points of view. You may disagree with one-another, but kindly agree to be agreeable and keep it civil. :)

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I thought this sub-topic fits fine within this forum thread as opposed to starting a new one concerning this article found on cbr...

https://www.cbr.com/supergirl-kara-lena-making-up-silly-fight

I totally agree that the Kara/Lena fight lasted too long, but resolving it in the season premiere may have been too soon and undercut the impact considerably. In addition to the season premiere, I think we did get good follow-up on the "fight" with Tremors, Its a Super Life and the penultimate episode, The Missing Link. (Honorable mention to Deus Lex Machina which was the catalyst for Lena's turnabout. ) Now, these three episodes, while spread far apart throught the season, does demonstrate there was good drama to be mined and they got some of the seasons best moments from it. But, It also shows they could have resolved it in 3-4 episodes, pre-Crisis, albeit without Lex.

Do you think it would have been as effective if they went there and resolved it quickly or do you think letting it simmer throught the season made it more impactful?

Thoughts?
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….Do you think it would have been as effective if they went there and resolved it quickly or do you think letting it simmer throught the season made it more impactful?

Thoughts?
I say overall impactful. This was a big issue with legitimate grievances on both sides. I liked the fake-out resolve in the first episode because I didn't want it resolved that quickly. Almost all the Kara/Lena scenes we had were meaningful and every one was beautifully acted. Let’s think about the timeline from the characters perspectives for a minute. For the first six episodes Kara thought everything between her and Lena was good. It was us the audience that knew how Lena really felt and what she was up to. So yes for the audience might that might have dragged on too long. In episodes 7 and 8 the relationship hit rock bottom. Then CoIE happened and brought Lex back. Episode 10 established some of how things had changed and that Lena remembered what had happened on Earth-38. By the end of episode 10 they're basically like fighters who go back to their corners. Episodes 11 and 12 welcomed Winn back. Then we have Kara’s breakthrough in episode 13. After that Kara doesn’t know what Lena’s up to and doesn’t need to stop Lena as she said she would. Bottom line it was a long time for us the audience but for the characters not so much.

Logistically I think CoIE had a lot to do with the pacing, especially the first eight episodes. If they wanted to be at a certain place post crisis they could only make so much progress before. Also they had Jeremey for a certain time period and if they didn’t use him they would lose him. All in all I think it was better to have the Kara/Lena conflict stretched out than resolved too quickly.
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@Brierrose

While I think the Kara/Lena "fight" plot was dragged out too long and understandably alienated Lena and Supercorp fans and I would have like it resolved pre-Crisis, I do think post Crisis episodes, It's a Wonderful Life, Deus Lex Machina and Missing Link really gave us exactly what we needed and were amongst the very best of Season 5. I definitely would not give those up. I think there were just too many episode inbetween that really didn't move the needle in regards to the Kara/Lena arc.
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@Brierrose

While I think the Kara/Lena "fight" plot was dragged out too long and understandably alienated Lena and Supercorp fans and I would have like it resolved pre-Crisis, I do think post Crisis episodes, It's a Wonderful Life, Deus Lex Machina and Missing Link really gave us exactly what we needed and were amongst the very best of Season 5. I definitely would not give those up. I think there were just too many episode inbetween that really didn't move the needle in regards to the Kara/Lena arc.
So your preference would've been for the relationship to have been resolved pre CoIE I can understand that. That certainly would've changed the post CoIE storyline. I think there was value in the reaction we saw from Lena when Lex returned. For me pre CoIE would've been too fast perhaps episode 16 or 17 would've made more people happy.
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For me it was a very long and ultimately frustrating season.

The Good
- The primary strength of the show has been and continues to be the stellar main cast. They elevate whatever material is given to them. On and off camera they seem utterly committed to their roles. Obviously, they struck gold with Melissa, but it might be the best ensemble cast in the Arrowverse so far. The only negative is that it has continued to expand, as with Flash and Arrow.

- Guest casting this year was really impressive as well. Snagging Sean Astin and Cara Buono in particular speaks to how attractive the show is to actors. Mitch Pileggi delivered a powerful presence as Rama Khan. Phil LaMarr was also a standout.

- The technology theme was overall a plus, I think. Not as heavy-handed politically as last year, but it was still relevant. Examples of technology's potential to harm and help and the ways it can be twisted were generally effective. The worst I can say is that here and there, the writers struggled a bit to say something of value, becoming trite or moralistic.

- I particularly enjoyed J'onn's pre-Crisis arc.

The Bad
- The biggest flaw this year was much the same as last season--it just took too long to get anywhere. For too much of the year, Leviathan's goals and motivations were painfully vague. Part of this was probably due to the Crisis build up.

- Speaking of Crisis, I liked the crossover, but I am not a fan of the changes made in the post-Crisis world. I don't like that the main characters are largely strangers to the world they live in. The Department of Extranormal Operations becoming a subsidiary of Lex Luthor's company made zero sense.

- I've said it elsewhere, but the show has evolved from "Supergirl," though "Supergirl and Friends," and now to "Supergirl's Friends." Dead horse re-pummeled, I shall move on.

- I think somewhere along the line, the show decided to take itself way too seriously. Yes, there are moments of goofiness, but the sense of fun that was almost palpable early on has given way to occasional pop culture references thrown in a stew of malaise.

- You know what this show needs? Even more costumed vigilantes.

The Meh
Things I could take or leave:
Lena's arc
William
Kelly
The destruction of the DEO

Conclusion
Last year, I said nailing the ending was just enough to make Season 4 worthwhile.

This time, no resolution would have been enough to save the season. I simply quit caring. There is zero chance of me buying the blu-ray.

The Future
Obviously, I hate the show, right? At this point, in all honesty, a little, yeah. To my mind, a fan of a character can only be poked with a stick so many times before becoming resentful.

I saw Brierrose use the term "hate watching" in the news feed comments. That is a point of concern for me--and the last thing I want or intend to do. Toward the end of Arrow's 7th season, I just had enough. During the "Previously on Arrow" recap, of an episode, I decided I didn't want to do it anymore. I turned off the television and never looked back until COIE. I didn't miss it. Unless there is a change in trajectory, I expect that will happen at some point next season. I will take it episode by episode. I'll be sad if it happens, because it was my favorite by a country mile.

My hope is that the break gives them a chance to formulate something a little more towards the fun/aspirational end of the spectrum.

Maybe Trump will lose the general election and the writers will take the stick out of their collective butt. ;)
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