Season 5 - Post Mortem Thread

@ superbill,

Re: Your last post.

Fair points. You are certainly entitled to your views and I am entitled to mine (and others are to theirs). To each their own.

How I critique it and how you critique it differs. Not a big deal. You may not appreciate my style or generalisations (many people don't) and that's perfectly fine. I have valid reasons for being as harsh as I am at times and using the terms that I do. You are most welcome to use whatever terms you wish in your assessments as well. I am very well aware that I do not represent the "entire" fanbase or SG community. The choice of words may have been inaccurate in my post. It happens. Such is life. This is not a scholarly dissertation, merely a forum for opinions.

Truth be told, I used to be an apologist for the show and let things slide by the wayside for four consecutive seasons but there came a point when it became impossible to be so any longer. Apparently you have a higher threshold for things than I do. Again, not a big deal. You can enjoy it and view it and critique it any way you wish and I will do the same. We agree to disagree without being disagreeable.

Side note: I have made it a point in my postings to give praise where praise is due (esp. the actors and various crews), and to not sugar-coat my feelings where I believe the show could improve. To date - and from my personal perspective only - I have not seen the needed improvements from the people that need to make the improvements and from those who have the ability to elevate their "game" and the end product, so to speak. That is why I am as stark in my assessments as I am.

Final point: You stated: "It is possible to critique the show without tearing it down."

My rebuttal: Yes it is. But the PTB do such a wonderful job of tearing it down unwittingly. They're extremely busy doing it on so many levels for so many viewers. Irrespective of the amount of times the show is automatically renewed, or the increasingly seemingly irrelevant viewership numbers, or the praise (faint or or genuine) heaped upon it by various outlets, it still manages to miss the mark for many viewers on a regular basis.

I thought this sub-topic fits fine within this forum thread as opposed to starting a new one concerning this article found on cbr...

https://www.cbr.com/supergirl-kara-lena-making-up-silly-fight

I totally agree that the Kara/Lena fight lasted too long, but resolving it in the season premiere may have been too soon and undercut the impact considerably. In addition to the season premiere, I think we did get good follow-up on the "fight" with Tremors, Its a Super Life and the penultimate episode, The Missing Link. (Honorable mention to Deus Lex Machina which was the catalyst for Lena's turnabout. ) Now, these three episodes, while spread far apart throught the season, does demonstrate there was good drama to be mined and they got some of the seasons best moments from it. But, It also shows they could have resolved it in 3-4 episodes, pre-Crisis, albeit without Lex.

Do you think it would have been as effective if they went there and resolved it quickly or do you think letting it simmer throught the season made it more impactful?

Thoughts?

….Do you think it would have been as effective if they went there and resolved it quickly or do you think letting it simmer throught the season made it more impactful?

Thoughts?

I say overall impactful. This was a big issue with legitimate grievances on both sides. I liked the fake-out resolve in the first episode because I didn't want it resolved that quickly. Almost all the Kara/Lena scenes we had were meaningful and every one was beautifully acted. Let’s think about the timeline from the characters perspectives for a minute. For the first six episodes Kara thought everything between her and Lena was good. It was us the audience that knew how Lena really felt and what she was up to. So yes for the audience might that might have dragged on too long. In episodes 7 and 8 the relationship hit rock bottom. Then CoIE happened and brought Lex back. Episode 10 established some of how things had changed and that Lena remembered what had happened on Earth-38. By the end of episode 10 they're basically like fighters who go back to their corners. Episodes 11 and 12 welcomed Winn back. Then we have Kara’s breakthrough in episode 13. After that Kara doesn’t know what Lena’s up to and doesn’t need to stop Lena as she said she would. Bottom line it was a long time for us the audience but for the characters not so much.

Logistically I think CoIE had a lot to do with the pacing, especially the first eight episodes. If they wanted to be at a certain place post crisis they could only make so much progress before. Also they had Jeremey for a certain time period and if they didn’t use him they would lose him. All in all I think it was better to have the Kara/Lena conflict stretched out than resolved too quickly.

@Brierrose

While I think the Kara/Lena "fight" plot was dragged out too long and understandably alienated Lena and Supercorp fans and I would have like it resolved pre-Crisis, I do think post Crisis episodes, It's a Wonderful Life, Deus Lex Machina and Missing Link really gave us exactly what we needed and were amongst the very best of Season 5. I definitely would not give those up. I think there were just too many episode inbetween that really didn't move the needle in regards to the Kara/Lena arc.

@Brierrose

While I think the Kara/Lena "fight" plot was dragged out too long and understandably alienated Lena and Supercorp fans and I would have like it resolved pre-Crisis, I do think post Crisis episodes, It's a Wonderful Life, Deus Lex Machina and Missing Link really gave us exactly what we needed and were amongst the very best of Season 5. I definitely would not give those up. I think there were just too many episode inbetween that really didn't move the needle in regards to the Kara/Lena arc.

So your preference would've been for the relationship to have been resolved pre CoIE I can understand that. That certainly would've changed the post CoIE storyline. I think there was value in the reaction we saw from Lena when Lex returned. For me pre CoIE would've been too fast perhaps episode 16 or 17 would've made more people happy.