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Alright people of SGTV, the biggest DCTV event has come. I think we all hope they can do the huge undertaking justice.

I think back when I was very active I was informally the "crossover" discussion poster. Apologies if someone has already made a discussion for this. Alert me and I will remove this post.

Otherwise, have fun!
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I think Superman not realizing he had 2 kids is because possibly Jonn got to him and gave him the wammy like he did others that were not Paragons.....or as happens quite often with these shows. .oooooops we missed that one in the writer's room.
Unfortunately it might be an oops, the writers from one show didn’t check with another show and nobody caught it. In season one J’onn said he can’t read Kryptonian minds. This was consistent when he could only get residual psychic energy off Kara after Psi whammed her. J’onn shouldn’t be able to whammy Clark. It also seems that everyone who had their memories restored still knows Earth-Prime’s history. Clark’s reaction made no sense.
Good catch, Brierrose. I had forgotten that limitation of J'onn's.

Alas...
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I think Superman not realizing he had 2 kids is because possibly Jonn got to him and gave him the wammy like he did others that were not Paragons.....or as happens quite often with these shows. .oooooops we missed that one in the writer's room.
Unfortunately it might be an oops, the writers from one show didn’t check with another show and nobody caught it. In season one J’onn said he can’t read Kryptonian minds. This was consistent when he could only get residual psychic energy off Kara after Psi whammed her. J’onn shouldn’t be able to whammy Clark. It also seems that everyone who had their memories restored still knows Earth-Prime’s history. Clark’s reaction made no sense.
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I think Superman not realizing he had 2 kids is because possibly Jonn got to him and gave him the wammy like he did others that were not Paragons.....or as happens quite often with these shows. .oooooops we missed that one in the writer's room.
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Right after the Crisis, I had a few crises of my own on family and job fronts. Things finally quieted down enough for me to fully digest this season's crossover and I can now answer the burning question on everyone's mind: "What did LibertyPrime think?" ;)

Anyway, as a whole, I loved it. I think they bobbled things in episode 4 a bit, splitting everyone up seemed a little unnecessary to me, but it all came together nicely and set up the new shared future effectively.

Some random thoughts:

As always, I enjoyed the larger scale action and interplay that crossovers afford. Cress Williams and Ruby Rose did a great job, and I was glad to see them. I just wish I liked their respective shows more.

The callout to Swamp Thing actually made me kind of sad, given his show was cancelled.

But it made me so happy to see Marv Wolfman be a part of the proceedings. The photo Barry and Kara signed was awesome in its unabashed cheesiness. Glad the two got to share that moment.

Going forward, I can buy the deep connection Kara and Kate share. After all, they have spent months together now.

The official formation of the "Justice League" was terrific. It was rooted in character and shared experiences, not their powers. Like the awkward glances when Jefferson asked, "How often does the world almost come to an end?"

OMG Gleek is canon!

I'm sure I am over-thinking the reveal of Earth Prime. It just seems to me that the Paragons are kind of living in a world full of strangers. Things that happened in previous seasons could not have happened—or at least could not have happened in the same way—as what we (and Kara) remember. So Alex-Prime isn't really Alex-38. (If I were on that Earth, would I be LibertyPrime-Prime? :D )

That puts the characters and audience in a weird kind of place, similar to the infamous Dallas episode where a deceased Bobby Ewing stepped out of the shower and revealed that the previous season was a dream. When I watch Supergirl Season One, Kara and Barry met when he crossed into Earth 38. The rest of the world remembers something entirely different. So what is "true?"

And Superman-38 wasn't a paragon, so why didn't he seem to be aware of how many kids he has with Lois?

Like I said, I am over-thinking it; I do have a philosophical bent. They are marketing this as a feature, not a bug in that the mysteries of this shared Earth will be explored. But I'm kinda like, "I sat through Season Four only to find Lex in charge of the DEO? How is a subsidiary of a Corporation a 'Department'? Do I throw my BluRay discs away now?" And so on... The big takeaway there is probably that living inside my head is sometimes hell. :D

So there it is. I had a blast watching COIE and came away with far too many questions!

We'll have to see where it all goes, but for now, I'm in a good place with it.
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Thought you guys would enjoy this, now that I'm out in Vancouver. I'm starting to recognize some landmarks in our shows! I pass this building from Crisis on the way to school, every day!
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Having now watched all 5 parts (hours) of the Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover I'm giving it an overall rating of 7.77 out of 10.

There were 3 things that stood out and gave me the most enjoyment in the whole crossover:

1. Brandon Routh - It was such a pleasure to watch Brandon portray Clark Kent/Superman again and he was fantastic, combine that with his fun and joyful Ray Palmer/Atom portrayal and Brandon gets my MVP vote for the crossover.

2. Supergirl - Very happy with the Supergirl action seen throughout the crossover and Melissa was great as always.

3. The Flash - Specifically the scenes with John Wesley Shipp and Grant Gustin in Hour Three and then the total fun scene with Ezra Miller and Grant Gustin in Hour Four.

My rankings of the Individual Hours from most enjoyable to least enjoyable:

Hour Five
Hour Three
Hour One
Hour Two
Hour Four

And my rankings of the multi show (3 or more) Crossovers so far:

Elseworlds
Crisis on Infinite Earths
Invasion
Crisis on Earth X
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Just to show how silly things get during filming of the crossover...our dear Space Dad David Harewood has posted this picture on his Instagram of the tragic death of Superman Kingdom Come. With Brandon Routh are Melissa and Ruby Rose, who now has gotten the memo that being silly is a requirement.


https://scontent-ort2-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/s640x640/76878714_503296280281587_6833923937958537646_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=103&oh=2521613ee3a9fd78797ede65830c3133&oe=5E6DA182


He put a new spin on things...

Crisis. The Opera.


Now we all know Melissa can sing...but so can Ruby. And Melissa might be able to hit the soprano notes. Although I don't know if PBS' Great Performances would air this myself.

THEY'RE SO SILLY!!!!!! :p :p :p :p :p
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I'm thinking it's pretty clear, now that all the universes have been destroyed, they're all going to end up being restored. Just with the loss of Alura being rather anticlimactic alone, I felt that wasn't her final demise. I was beginning to think, "Oh hey, maybe I'm wrong," when they were able to move billions to Earth 1. But, yeah, once that went, too, I saw the door open back up to everything going back to as it was.

But, I have been wrong on most things--98% of the time--so we shall see. :p I could see a few things jumbled up if and when universes are restored--i.e. a slightly different life for each of the characters. However, I agree with Kiwi--I'm not sure I could see a totally satisfactory ending if Kara, who's fighting to bring back Earth 38, doesn't get 38 back. No way to fit Earth 38 population on Earth 1--not to mention all the doppelgangers bumping into each other. lol
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Quoting Kiwi: "While I'd be totally happy with Earth 1 I'm going to predict it stays on Earth 38 if for the only reason to give Kara a personal victory, she's fighting for it currently and our girl deserves for E38 to be restored."

Chalk up one more vote for Supergirl restoring Earth 38.
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3 of 5 episodes completed and here are my ratings out of 10 for each:
Hour One - 7.5
Hour Two - 7
Hour Three - 8

I've been enjoying individual performances and the cameos and nods to past DC Movies/TV Shows more than the overall story, here's my MVP's from each episode:

Hour One - Supergirl (especially her scenes with Superman)
Hour Two - Clark Kent/Superman as played by Brandon Routh
Hour Three - The Flash as played by both John Wesley Shipp and Grant Gustin

Those 3 have been the undoubted highlights for me of CoIE so far.

Now we await Hours Four and Five in January, no doubt some Earths will be restored (as the shows must go on) but which ones and how many will be quite intriguing to watch. Of most interest to us Supergirl fans is which Earth (1 or 38) the Supergirl show will be set on for the remainder of the series. While I'd be totally happy with Earth 1 I'm going to predict it stays on Earth 38 if for the only reason to give Kara a personal victory, she's fighting for it currently and our girl deserves for E38 to be restored.

Anyone else want to make a prediction on this, Earth 1 or Earth 38 for Supergirl going forward?.
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My guess is Kate will use the Kryptonite to try to stop Kara from doing something potentially foolish.


Well done Liberty Prime :) , that's exactly what happened and it appears as if you wrote this before the Hour Three episode screened.

My 1.2 level intellect at work. :D
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My guess is Kate will use the Kryptonite to try to stop Kara from doing something potentially foolish.


Well done Liberty Prime :) , that's exactly what happened and it appears as if you wrote this before the Hour Three episode screened.
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I've enjoyed it so far, but emo Flash is getting annoying.

Yeah, it doesn't become him.
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I've enjoyed it so far, but emo Flash is getting annoying.
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I'm really enjoying how this crossover is developing. LibertyPrime's post nailed many of the high points of Part 2 for me. I especially liked the scenes between Kara and Kate, and Lex's reaction to the Clark Kent who gave up his powers was really funny. Best of all, Kara being the Paragon of Hope is perfect for the character. Finally a crossover where Supergirl/Kara plays a central role!
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I thought Part Two was terrific.

Favorite moments:
Mick Rory taking care of Jonathan Kent.
Lex dismissing Earth-38 Clark Kent as Superman's true identity.
Lois being totally interested in Earth-96 Clark Kent.
Superman vs Superman!!!
Kevin Conroy's heel turn.
Kara being momentarily interested in Earth-96 Clark Kent.
Kara and Kate's scenes. Way, way better than their shared time in Elseworlds.

I agree that it's too early to make any statements about the status quo going forward. I like the angle they are taking in trying to restore Oliver and Earth-38. We'll have to see if these efforts are doomed to fail or will provide a feel good conclusion.

My guess is Kate will use the Kryptonite to try to stop Kara from doing something potentially foolish.
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Merge all the Earths? So someplace here a piece of Earth-Nazi may show up again.? Or Wonder Girl?
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CoIE Hour Two for me was all about Brandon Routh and his portrayal of Clark Kent/Superman, Brandon was fabulous and it was everything I hoped it would be. Really liked his Clark Kent and he looked great in the Superman costume. Nice to hear some of John Williams Superman the Movie (1978) music used during Brandon's CK/S scenes. Happy to know he'll be around for more of the crossover and hopefully will see some scenes with Kara (Supergirl) and Brandon's Clark (Superman).

In Hour Two I also enjoyed Tom Welling's appearance as Clark Kent and Mick Rory was a lotta fun.


I think we need to hold our britches before just assuming the ENTIRE status quo has shifted for Supergirl. We have 4 more parts, 2 of which don't air until mid-January. In that time, we don't know what will happen, or what destruction will be undone.

It's all just prediction and speculation, at this point.


I'm OK with exploring the possibilities, I personally don't want major changes but do expect some. It's cool that Kara wants to restore Earth 38 and I genuinely hope she succeeds, having said that I think I would've preferred if they didn't destroy E38 in Hour One and just left it as one of the earths that survive (wasn't there 5 or 6 earths that survived in the Original Comic Book Story?.). If they do end up being on Earth 1 then that could provide some interesting viewing of adapting to a whole new world. Indeed we'll just have to wait and see what transpires.
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So what is Batwoman going to do with her bit of Kryptonite?

The Scene in which A hands B some Kryptonite, and nothing happens, was precious.
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I think we need to hold our britches before just assuming the ENTIRE status quo has shifted for Supergirl. We have 4 more parts, 2 of which don't air until mid-January. In that time, we don't know what will happen, or what destruction will be undone.

My personal theory is that they will use this event as a way to merge at LEAST all the Arrowverse Earths. This means that their histories will merge, as well, as they did in the comics. Meaning Earth 1 would have it's own DEO, National City, and would still be struggling with Leviathan in the second half of the season. Though I predict that Argo will remain destroyed.

At the same time, I don't think EVERY DC Earth will be merged. I'm confident that the Earths of Titans, as well as other properties, will still remain separate, yet restored (since Titans is renewed for season 3).

It's all just prediction and speculation, at this point.
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