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With one week until the season five premier I think it’s a good time to open Supergirl Season Five Episode Discussion and Review Volume 1. Last year we moved from threads for each episode to volumes and that seemed to work better. If someone wants to open threads for each episode go ahead, I’ll delete this one if that happens.

Let’s use this thread until the number of responses reaches an unmanageable point then like last year move on to subsequent volumes. I’ll list the episode titles for discussion in this thread only after they’re announced on the news page. I can add trailers and/or synopses too if the group wants.

S5E01 Event Horizon

S5E02 Stranger Beside Me

S5E03 Blurred Lines

S5E04 In Plain Sight

S5E05 Dangerous Liaisons

S5E06 Confidence Woman

S5E07 Tremors

S5E08 The Wrath of Rama Khan

While it’s likely that there will be Crises on Infinite Earths related scenes in these episodes if you’re post strictly involves those please use the dedicated thread. IMO it will easier for all of us if we don’t have to search through multiple threads come December.
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Confidence Woman was IMO necessary and not “filler”, we needed the backstory for Andrea/Acrata. I actually care about her now that there’s more to her than a horrible boss. Similarly, I thought “Man of Steel” made Ben Lockwood a more compelling character last season. It also provided some context for Lena’s reaction to finding out Kara’s secret. And now all the players know the name Leviathan. My prediction is Kara and Lena will realize they have to work together against Leviathan in the classic the enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. Working together will help them regain some of the trust that’s been lost on both sides. Looking back on last season almost everything was done for a reason even if we didn’t know the reason for several episodes, growing up my dad told me patience is a virtue so let’s show some.
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Overall, I've really enjoyed this season, far more than I did the first 5 episodes of Season 4. By this point I was ticked off last season that I had almost stopped watching and was going to wait until the Summer and just binge it on Netflix.

But this season has really held my attention.

Loving....


  • The fact that FINALLY we are getting solo battles for Supergirl.
  • The fact that Kara is going out on her own as a reporter in very dangerous situations.
    The fact that Kara seems to be totally at ease as both a Superhero and Reporter this season. We saw a little of it last season, but she is full force forward this season.
    The fact that Kara has been the saving hero in almost every situation....it seems like the Supergirl show, rather than the Alex Danvers Show that I felt we were getting the first half of last season.
    The Lena part of the storyline is REALLY interesting. I can't wait to see what she has in store for Supergirl and if we are correct and Kara finds out in the next 2 episodes that Lena is plotting against her, I cannot wait for that dramatic meat for Melissa.


Things that I could do without...

Jonn's storyline of his history coming back to haunt him. I'm really tired of that storyline. Please move him on from that storyline.
Nia and Brainy, though it has cooled over the last two episodes so I'm happy about that.
I don't like that Kara is lying to Nia......has she not learned? Not cool...

So on average the episodes have been in the 6-9 range. I haven't seen one yet that deserves a 10....hopefully sill see that soon. I have to say once again better than this time last season. The episodes were averaging about a 3 - 5, "Ahimsa" being the 5, the rest were 3s by this time.
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- Another fine performance from Jesse Rath as Brainy and kudos for a line from the movie Speed. "Pop Quiz Hot Shot" :) , although I thought that was a Dennis Hopper line rather than a Keanu Reeves one.


Well, I tried to search that quote up and who said it on Duck Duck Go, and lo and behold I turn up a rather obscure game show focusing on pop culture by that title.
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I was on was on vacation and didn't get to watch Dangerous Liaisons until last night. I didn't look at the pictures either. I agree @evrafter it was nice to not know too much going into an episode. In my headcannon James didn't get as big a sendoff as Winn because he's just moving to a town driving distance away not 1000 years into the future. In show the characters can still call him anytime and see him without too much trouble, It's us as the audience that know that's not going to happen..

It was nice to have the Leviathan story move forward. I liked that Kara went into the first fight with Rip Roar alone. I did figure out from the time they said no body was found that William's friend is Rip Roar. I get why some don't like how that was telegraphed but this is the same universe that's trying to convince me that Barry Allan as played by Grant is going to die, sorry Flash is bugging the heck out me right now. Overall still enjoying this season but can't wait until CoIE is over and really don't want my shows blown up by it.
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Alrighty, figured I'd jump in since we are a few episodes in. Been steering clear to avoid spoilers (especially leading up to Crisis), as well as, being swayed in my opinions of the show :D . Enjoying not having any idea of what's coming, who's coming, or what to expect/predict. I have to say, I was completely surprised by this week's reveal at the end. SO refreshing to have that reaction, again, when it comes to a Supergirl episode.

Also, last episode I felt was tighter, better written. There were side stories, but they didn't take up a lot of time while still propelling their purpose forward.

Jesse was so good with his multiple personalities, AGAIN. That whole scene was terrifically acted by all involved.

Overall, REALLY liking this season!! Been so great to be away from heavy handed politics, as so many Supergirl fans have requested/argued for/left because of. As for American's watching, we are already overwhelmed by a heated political climate. Been so so so very refreshing to get an hour of my favorite show of just pure entertainment.

Other major pluses for me:

--Loved how Lena found out the secret. Brilliantly acted, and tragic.
--Intriguing, tighter story lines filled with some solid mystery
--Good new villains
--Focus seems to finally be back on Kara/Supergirl for the most part
--More and more focus on the heart of the show--THE DANVERS SISTERS!!
--I really like Kelly. The actress has grown on me, and I like the "calmness" about the character.
--AMAZING ACTING BY MELISSA!!!
--Jesse is KILLING it as Brainy.
--Loving more Brainy/Alex/Supergirl scenes. GOLDEN!
--Brainy/Lena scenes, terrific, and surprisingly funny

Somewhat minuses for me, but not severe ones:

--They made SUCH a big political statement deal in season 2 about J'onn choosing to live his life as a black man; but umm...his whole family is portrayed as black. ???? And how did Lena force his brother to turn into a human? So do Martians have some human default? :) Seems like loose writing.

--Liking Kelly. LOVING Alex. Not loving Kelly and Alex. While I appreciate that their relationship is being writing more maturely than Alex/Maggie, for ME it just feels like two straight women with no chemistry. But, again, that's me.

P.S....

Did anyone else feel like Jame's/Mehcad's exit was totally anticlimactic???? Winn/Jeremy got a huge emotional send-off. Seemed off to me.
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Hi Kiwi, nice to see you.
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I'm seeing a lot of complaints about the animation quality on J'onn and his brother, whenever they are in Martian form. Not here, but online, in general. I hate to say it, but it's a reasonable complaint. 5 seasons in, I feel like it would be cheaper and less visually jarring to come up with some sort of prosthetic for the actors, or their stunt actors. I can't speak to the reasoning behind the decisions, but the animation quality does tend to pull me out of the moment. And a show like this should be able to pull off that type of prosthesis at a relatively minimum cost, I should think.

I'd think a modern show in 2019 should be able to pull off for one character what shows like Star Trek: TNG were able to do 30 years ago, at a reasonable cost that may be cheaper and higher quality than CGI.

I notice it most when they are speaking.

It doesn't bother me a lot, though. I grew up with classic Doctor Who wobbly sets. The magic of low expectations! :D
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I'm seeing a lot of complaints about the animation quality on J'onn and his brother, whenever they are in Martian form. Not here, but online, in general. I hate to say it, but it's a reasonable complaint. 5 seasons in, I feel like it would be cheaper and less visually jarring to come up with some sort of prosthetic for the actors, or their stunt actors. I can't speak to the reasoning behind the decisions, but the animation quality does tend to pull me out of the moment. And a show like this should be able to pull off that type of prosthesis at a relatively minimum cost, I should think.

I'd think a modern show in 2019 should be able to pull off for one character what shows like Star Trek: TNG were able to do 30 years ago, at a reasonable cost that may be cheaper and higher quality than CGI.
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Kiwi:

Long time no see..or no chat in this case!
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Hi Kiwi!

Good to hear from you.
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@ Kiwi,

Welcome back. ;)
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Another question I have is how is James putting on the Guardian suit and not getting arrested?


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By the grace and guile of the writers' illogical and non-linear line of thinking (and lack of attention to detail, lore, plausibility, air-headedness and plain old tomfoolery). It's their secret super powers, don't you know! ;)
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As a minor aside: Suppose the villain is the Evil Stapler Lord, armed with a giant staple gun. The giant 6" staples are used to attack Kara to a wall,.namely they are large that they enter the wall on each side of her wrists, not breaking her skin, but nailing her in place.

Supergirl can perhaps lift a million tons. She can certainly pick up an automobile and toss it. The staples do not hold her in place. If she pulls even very gently, it is the wall sections where the staples went in that pull out of the wall If the wall section is battleship armor, it bends until it tears.

Your logic is sound. She would presumably pull chunks away from the wall, maybe still stuck to her hands. All the better to beat a supervilain with!
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As a minor aside: Suppose the villain is the Evil Stapler Lord, armed with a giant staple gun. The giant 6" staples are used to attack Kara to a wall,.namely they are large that they enter the wall on each side of her wrists, not breaking her skin, but nailing her in place.

Supergirl can perhaps lift a million tons. She can certainly pick up an automobile and toss it. The staples do not hold her in place. If she pulls even very gently, it is the wall sections where the staples went in that pull out of the wall If the wall section is battleship armor, it bends until it tears.
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Another question I have is how is James putting on the Guardian suit and not getting arrested?
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As far as contracts, I just saw it as new contracts were signed thinking Lena was still the owner and as many do before signing a contract they didnt read the fine print.
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Mostly spoiler free screener secrets from Hypable for Blurred Lines. The author thinks it’s “much stronger than the previous episode...”. There’s also an interview with Azie who says Kelly doesn’t know Kara is Supergirl.
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Light on the political heavy handedness and more with the action adventure. I can start watching the show again regularly if it continues like this.

I really do hope the two ladies mend fences. Hate to see Lena just be out right evil. Product of her upbringing I guess. One too many betrayals.

Good to be able to feel invested in these characters.
I got misty when Kara told Lena her identity. I admit it.

Don’t judge me! ?
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Also shouldn't the fact that National City's newspaper of record (see season 2), was bought by a social media company, spark some controversy on it's own? Especially if CatCo goes from hard-hitting journalism to click-bait overnight? Wouldn't Lena get some flack for selling it to a social media company.


Andrea should fear the wrath of Cat Grant! I have hopes that Cat will someday re-take her namesake company and promote Kara to editor-in-chief. That scenario may fit with Calista's life, allowing for an occasional appearance.

It will also be interesting to see how the William Dey character develops. Right now I think he is another person who Kara would like to fling into space (Siobhan Smythe being the other), but time will tell.
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Maybe on Kara’s Earth her new boss can unilaterally rewrite a contract, but not on this one. Any of the CatCo employees who walked (and that should include Kara) would be able to get another journalism gig in a heartbeat.

My guess is that the new boss is using the same clause that Cat did in season 1 when she forced Leslie Willis to become a traffic reporter. It's odd that the contracts reporters have would be the same as entertainment.

There must be other ways to get around this issue even if this is enforceable. Perhaps Supergirl and Dreamer can boycott CatCo Magazine, refusing to give interviews to a publication that no longer values journalistic integrity. They can also chose another publication to give exclusives to. It may true that Kara Danvers and Nia Nal can't have a newsblog (see season 2), but there is no reason why Supergirl and Dreamer can't. In the mean time they can wait out their contract.

Also shouldn't the fact that National City's newspaper of record (see season 2), was bought by a social media company, spark some controversy on it's own? Especially if CatCo goes from hard-hitting journalism to click-bait overnight? Wouldn't Lena get some flack for selling it to a social media company.
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